Originally posted by Zerbst
The Bush administration has most certainly violated laws of, not only this nation, but laws instilled by all nations of the world. Torture,
specifically water boarding, is a crime the US has convicted others of doing in the past and can not be justified by any means whatsoever. They have
admitted to doing it, that's proof.
Water boarding may be torture, or it may be enhanced interrogation. If it is determined that it was torture and that George Bush, Dick Cheney and any
member of the Bush administration (or Congress) who allowed it to happen need to be charged with a crime so be it. But no one has been charged
yet.
As far as saying it cannot be justified, never say never. If someone kidnapped your daughter and stuck her in a hole somewhere and you caught him, I
bet water boarding would be the least of his problems. If it was mine, I know I would do whatever it took to find her. And, is that really so
different than being charged with the defense of a whole nation? Think about it.
Violating Americans right to privacy by wire tapping is a clear crime against the Constitution and cannot be changed by the courts. They
admitted it, that's proof.
Oh please. That is a serious oversimplification of a law passed with the Patriot Act and a later law passed with the Protect America Act (with a yes
vote from Barak Obama I might add). Both of which are perfectly constitutional. Provide me with the name and case number of an American citizen
whose rights were abused under this law by Bush or Cheney personally and then we will talk.
Invading Iraq, and now Pakistan, without congressional approval is also a crime against the Constitution.
Again here, it is you that do not understand the facts. As far as congressional approval, you may want to research Public Law 107-243, The Iraq
Resolution. You may also want to look at the terms of the 1991 cease fire agreement that halted the first gulf war, and the Iraqi governments’
serious noncompliance.
Lying to congress and manufacturing false evidence to obtain approval for war equates to multiple crimes. That's proof.
Face the facts. No one was out there intentionally lying to congress, particularly an upstanding patriot like Colin Powell. Much of what we
suspected about Iraqi WMD turned out not to be the case. But we didn’t know that until after the invasion. Saddam himself certainly played both
sides of the fence on this issue and along with his government actively thwarted efforts by the U.N. to verify just what he had. As far as
manufacturing evidence, again show me evidence manufactured personally by or at the behest of Bush or Cheney and we will talk about breaking the
law.
Dealing nuclear weapons secrets to Israel is multiple crimes.
You pulled this out of your hat didn’t you? Shame on you. I think everyone is pretty aware that Israel has had nuclear weapons since the late
1960s.
Outing Valerie Plame.
That was Scooter Libby, who did time for it. Poor decision made by an ultimately not so smart fellow.
Vote fraud.
I guess you saw George and Dick out there personally stopping old ladies from entering polling places? Or have you got copies of confidential memos
written by either that explain exactly how to commit voter fraud? Give me a break.
The list goes on. What exactly don't you understand? What proof is enough?
What proof is enough? Some would be nice.
You are simply traitorous and a complete embarrassment to this country. Here is a little clue about government. They all break the law! But
your choice to defend has gone far beyond criminal. You choose to speak up for a group that's gone way past crime for mere profit, you, my ignorant
friend, are defending those that have successfully attacked your most precious assets! Your treasonous, murderous role models have violated everything
you would hold sacred, had you the sense to understand it. What possible delusion are you suffering to come to such conclusions?
It truly is a shame to see that when it comes down to it you have to resort to personal insults. But I am not really surprised. "Traitorous and a
complete embarrassment"? I hate to stoop to your level, but those seem like awfully big words from an awfully small mind.
