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Topic started on 17-6-2009 @ 10:35 PM by grapesofraft
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I hear lots of people accusing Bush and Cheney of commiting all kind of crimes but nobody ever has a shred of proof. Nothing! Nada!
They have been accused of:
1. Being behind 911
2. Stealing all of our rights
3. Killing people
4. Stealing money
5. Trying to lead a coup
6. Trying to murder their friends
7. Torturing people
ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I know you could say that they tortured, but they did Improvised Interrogation with the approval of the Justice Dept and the approval of the
Congress people that were briefed. So it is hard to call that illegal, or if it is then all of those people are guilty as well.
So somebody show me something they actually did illegally with proof. It is easy to just spout off accusations that are unsubstantiated, but not so
easy to back up the trash talk.
How would any of you like it if I ran around the world spouting off or posting on the internet accusations about you without any evidence what so ever
(Only speculation and made up stories)?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:51 PM by total newbie
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You have got it brother. Bush and Cheney should have their faces carved on Mount Rushmore even if it means removing some other less known political
types.
Also any new printed money might have their faces on the bill.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:02 PM by solarstorm
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
I hear lots of people accusing Bush and Cheney of commiting all kind of crimes but nobody ever has a shred of proof. Nothing! Nada!
They have been accused of:
1. Being behind 911
2. Stealing all of our rights
3. Killing people
4. Stealing money
5. Trying to lead a coup
6. Trying to murder their friends
7. Torturing people
ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I know you could say that they tortured, but they did Improvised Interrogation with the approval of the Justice Dept and the approval of the
Congress people that were briefed. So it is hard to call that illegal, or if it is then all of those people are guilty as well.
So somebody show me something they actually did illegally with proof. It is easy to just spout off accusations that are unsubstantiated, but not so
easy to back up the trash talk.
How would any of you like it if I ran around the world spouting off or posting on the internet accusations about you without any evidence what so ever
(Only speculation and made up stories)?
[edit on 17-6-2009 by grapesofraft]
I always love these cute little booger flicking threads.....
Let me ask you a question. When was the last time 5 million emails were lost?
www.cnn.com...
Oh let me guess there would never been anything to implicate anyone in 5 million lost emails....
 
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:05 PM by grapesofraft
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It is hard to tell since they were lost. Since we do not have them then I would say they may or may not have something incriminating. If I had 5
million of your emails would I find you guilty of a crime?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:06 PM by phi1618
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Legality doesn't make something right. If killing was legal would you do it. If congress gave you the right to kill your neighbor would it be right?
would it be a crime?
We cannot judge them for their crimes, but in the end they will judge themselves.
Its pointless arguing this imo.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:08 PM by jd140
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So you don't have any proof. Just speculation of what could be in lost emails?
Its alright to admit that you don't have any actual proof if you don't have any.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:08 PM by grapesofraft
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Well maybe you do not judge them, but their are plenty of people on this website that throw out allegations against them like a person throws out chum
to attract sharks.
You would think if they were guilty of any of the things I listed, they would have had to break some law.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:09 PM by grapesofraft
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That is all I have ever seen anyone have against them... speculation and fantasies.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:10 PM by unityemissions
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How about deceiving the people?
Going to war with Iraq under false pretense.
The patriot act 1 & 2?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:12 PM by dgtempe
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I have their images in a shrine in my home. They only made the world a whole lot better and safer.
May they live in interesting times.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:13 PM by schrodingers dog
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GW has gotten arrested for theft at a hotel, for disorderly conduct at a football game, and for drunk driving.
But that was before he was pres. 
In case you think my answer is silly, I should disclose that I feel the same way about your question.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:14 PM by grapesofraft
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Originally posted by unityemissions
How about deceiving the people?
Going to war with Iraq under false pretense.
The patriot act 1 & 2?
When did they decieve people?
What false pretenses did they go into Iraq on?
How can Patriot Act 1 & 2 be illegal if it was approved by Congress and still in force today under a new admin?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:15 PM by jd140
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How about Saddam acting like like the head turkey with his chest puffed out. Letting us believe that he had WMD's? That lead to us going to war in
Iraq. Did you forget the teams of inspectors basically being turned away by Saddam?
The Patriot Acts are still in play. Does this also make Obama a criminal?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:16 PM by grapesofraft
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A star for you. Great post. I did not even think of GW's younger days. You got me on a technicality.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:16 PM by solarstorm
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Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by solarstorm
So you don't have any proof. Just speculation of what could be in lost emails?
Its alright to admit that you don't have any actual proof if you don't have any.
Hey sure bro...I am sure that Dick and Bush were passing along emails all day asking questions like:
"How was supper last night?"
"How is the rash under the arms?"
I mean really--5 million of those kinds of emails make me rest easier at night, especially since they are lost/missing.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:16 PM by king9072
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
Originally posted by unityemissions
How about deceiving the people?
Going to war with Iraq under false pretense.
The patriot act 1 & 2?
When did they decieve people?
What false pretenses did they go into Iraq on?
How can Patriot Act 1 & 2 be illegal if it was approved by Congress and still in force today under a new admin?
Perjury.
Screw every god damn thing you listed. We only need one, and it's perjury.
They lied publicly about many, many things, and even under oath. So perjury is the charge. Since you were smart enough to make a thread like this, ill
help you out - perjury means lying.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:17 PM by jd140
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by grapesofraft
GW has gotten arrested for theft at a hotel, for disorderly conduct at a football game, and for drunk driving.
But that was before he was pres.
In case you think my answer is silly, I should disclose that I feel the same way about your question.
Is it silly because you don't have an answer?
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:18 PM by grapesofraft
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Great point JD... Sadaam was running around ranting and raving about all of his weapons, kicking out inspectors.
I guess Bush/Cheney should have disregarded Sadaam and the CIA. Then if something happend everyone would be whining about them not doing anything to
protect us.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:19 PM by jd140
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So like I said, you are speculating.
It may seem like I am defending them. I'm actually not, if there is evidence of wrong doing then send them to prison. The problem is all you guys do
is pass judgement without proof.
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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:21 PM by jd140
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If you was told something by someone you trusted and you told someone else. Would you be guilty of perjury if that info turned out to be false?
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