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Pedophile says 'two strikes' law will cause deaths

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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by gravykraken
there is no cure. there is no rehab. the only solution is to remove them from the gene pool.


There is a cure, its called a lobotomy or a .22 "problem solver".

But truthfully, I deal with cho-mo's everyday. Not a single one of them will ever be rehabilitated. And they will even tell you that. They think they are normal, and society is in denial. That they alone truly "love" children. And to be honest they will go through "Hell" itself to rationalize their sickness.

You can "Agent orange" them all you want, but put a child in front of them. After many years of supposedly being cured. and they will molest that kid in a moments notice.

They truly are monsters in human disguises.




posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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And they will even tell you that.


Exactly. Just ask the men at McNeil Island (One of whom I have interviewed at length).

McNeil Island Special Commitment Center

McNeil Special Commitment Center is a program, operated by the Department of Social and Health Services (DSHS), provides a specialized mental health treatment program for civilly committed sex offenders who have completed their prison sentences.

The program is specifically for:


RCW 71.09.020(16) defines "sexually violent predator" as “any person who has been convicted of or charged with a crime of sexual violence and who suffers from a mental abnormality or personality disorder which makes the person likely to engage in predatory acts of sexual violence if not confined in a secure facility.”


These men have *served their time* but Washington State (and the Supreme Court) refuses to let these criminals back out into society.

Some of these men thank God every day they’re confined on the Island so they’ll never again come into contact with children.

I’ll ever forget the look in the mans eye I interviewed.

He used an expletive for the *bleeps* on the "outside" who have "no *bleeping* idea" what they’re dealing with when it comes to convicted child rapists.

He (and many others like him) think we on the outside are just a bunch of "White bread *bleeps*" for not putting a gun to their heads and pulling the trigger.

Do I agree with this facility? No. These men should be executed. (McNeil only deals with males).

Is what McNeil Island doing better than nothing?

Yes.



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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:05 AM
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Wow, I wish this was the first post that had been added to this thread, I never even knew a place like that existed and it's at least a step in the right direction.

If they admit themselves that they shouldn't be let out... what the hell, just a waste of taxpayers money keeping pointless human beings (they barely fit in that bracket of description as far as I'm concerned) under lock and key. I don't even think they deserve that, lock em in a cell with members of the victims family



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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I didn't add it because honestly the place makes me sick.

It's a "Picnic" there. And that's a quote from an inmate.
“It's like a summer camp. We get just about anything we want.“


In the past two years, at least four of the 267 residents have been charged with possessing illegal pornography, and officials there are investigating several others. The latest case emerged just before Christmas, when the FBI arrested a 49-year-old child molester who had computer CDs full of graphic child pornography stashed in his room.


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To me it’s completely revolting to me these men are clothed, housed, protected, cared for, can receive gift from specifically listed shopping outlets, free health care, food, rehab, and on and on.

Yes, it's better than nothing, but it's such an insult and travesty to the children who've suffered at the hands of these men I find it completely appalling.

More Info:

How sex offenders are committed to McNeil Island center


Here is how they get there:
1. Before release from prison, a state committee assesses whether a sex offender is likely to reoffend.

2. The names of criminals considered likely to reoffend are sent to prosecutors in the counties where they were convicted.

3. If a prosecutor decides to pursue civil commitment, a petition is filed, and within 72 hours a hearing is held. If a judge decides there is probable cause an offender is a predator, he is sent to the commitment center for evaluation.

Within 45 days the offender is entitled to a full trial. It's a civil process but more closely resembles a criminal trial, with a judge, jury, prosecutor, defense attorney and expert witnesses.

4. The jury is asked to find that the offender has committed at least one violent sex crime and has a "mental abnormality or personality disorder" that makes him likely to commit "future predatory acts of sexual violence."

5. Prosecutors must persuade a jury unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt before an offender can be committed.

6. After commitment, residents are entitled to an annual review to determine whether their condition has changed. No one has ever been let go from the center through this process.

Assistant Attorney General Terry Ryan, who oversees the process, insists that it's fair, saying the jury and judge provide checks and balances and that the state must meet the highest burden of proof.

But some defense lawyers are highly critical, calling the trials a farce and a foregone conclusion.

"These guys are such easy targets," said Chris Jackson, a public defender. "And the state, invariably, puts on a horror show."

Jackson also argues that in a criminal trial, there is a presumption of innocence that does not exist at commitment trials.

"These people are already convicted of a crime. Prosecutors simply parade the victims again and ask the jury, `Do you want this to happen again?' " she said. "Who is going to take that chance?"


And by the way - before you get your hopes up - the place is probably going to close soon due to money problems.


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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by Lasheic
I don't have the statistics on hand, and I'd be much obliged if anyone feels like posting them - be they contradictory or confirming - but as I understand it, a large portion of the people convicted of pedophilia aren't really even pedophiles. They're adventure seekers, experimenters, etc.

If you "experiment" with my child, who cares whether it's a lifelong urge or whether you just did it for kicks?
The child is damaged for life either way.
You do that, you deserve to die, slowly and painfully.

The only difference is a person with a lifelong urge at least has an excuse.
Which means I might feel some pity for the pathetic bastard as I pull the trigger.

The idea that having sex with a child can be excused if the person is "just an adventure seeker, experimenter, etc," is so irretrievably sick I can hardly believe you'd write such a thing.

A normal person could not even get aroused by a pre-teen, much less sexually assault them.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
i have 1 question for you all:
what will you do with the solides of the US Army who are raping children in iraq? last count there was nearly 500 documented cases of child rape by US service personel and so far to date only 1 conviction.

If they were from a country in which the leaders had any moral standards, the soldiers would be expected to uphold the morality of their country.

They should be instantly court-martialed, and shot if they are found guilty.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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so i ask you then - do the leaders of iraq uphold moraility by your standards then?



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
if you would search on ATS the research has allready been presented many times.

I find that a pretty rude way to squirm out of providing proof of a statement you made.

I have searched ATS, and there is no indication in any of the 10 pages of threads that come up for the term "female pedophile" that as many women as men are pedophiles.

There is also nothing I can find on the internet to prove that either.

I suggest you pulled the idea out of your . . . "imagination".



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:39 AM
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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
How about we loosen the stigma around pedophiles and get these people some help? .

The 'stigma' is there for a good reason.

And pedophiles can't be helped. They can't be cured.

The only thing you can do with them is either lock them up or kill them.

That's just the truth of the situation.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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Silo, I know what you're saying and believe me you're not the only one, the fact that they are 'protected' is sickening but on the flip side I'd rather them locked away than back on the streets, and I speak not only for my country but any country there.

What I think is the worst thing is a lot of them will feel no remorse, they'll never feel as degraded or threatened as those whom they victimise. I believe they NEED to feel that, at first on this thread there was a lot of people saying 'they need help or locking up not killing' just reading some of your info there sways the argument.

This is one thing that I have a solid stance on, its immoral, sick and degrading. They're not even deservant of a bullet, like I said a few pages back I've got a perfectly good baseball bat at home..



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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This is one thing that I have a solid stance on, its immoral, sick and degrading.


Agreed.

Here’s a video you might want to watch about McNeil Island.

link to video about McNeil Island

The man they interview, they call *Carrie Benjamin*.

His name is not *Carrie* it's John Benjamin.

The fact the even allow them to change their names leaves me furious.

Quotes I’ve used in previous posts are from conversations I’ve had with this person.

I was floored when I found out about this video. (I talked to the man before it was filmed).

He's nothing but a walking pile of human waste who doesn't deserve to draw another breath.

He's a liar, a manipulator and an ace con man who absolutely revels in the "wool he's pulling over the eyes of the public."

Take it from me, someone who knows first hand.

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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
What's so wrong wth sex with a 12 yr old?

12 year olds don't fully understand the situation or the implications.
Also, when young girls have sex too early, and 12 is too early, then
they increase their risk for certain cancers.

Sex is procreative. A pregant 12 year old girl would have a high risk of
death if the pregancy was carried to term. She would definately have
emotional scars if she was forced to kill her unborn child in order to
survive.



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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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your telling me you`ve never heard of butterfly kisses or NAMBLA before? both american organisations , doing tours of universties actively promoting sex between adults and children

penn state regularly holds conferences `on the fringe` and the likes of Pat Califia , a self confessed paedo attends to spread her disgusting filth - BUT sadly it is getting more accepted at the ground level - the more exposed people are the more acceptance there is;

case point MDSA are actively fighting NAMBLA and the womens version to try and make daughters safe from female abuse.

and this is here and now in the USA.

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The 1997 Pearson report on female child abuse stated that 12 years ago 1 in 4 child sexual abuse cases were perpatrated by a known female - the mother in 99% of cases. the trend according to that report was that it is the `hush dont tell` crime and at least 50% of all female abuse cases go unreported. the further trend sadly , as reported in the the Pearson report is that female child abuse was increasing at an alarming rate.



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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Cheers for the vid, can't watch it at the moment as I'm in work but the second I get home I'll see what the score is.

I'm glad quite a few people on here see eye to eye on this, I don't see how anyone else can say any different, and judging from some of your posts Silo you obviously have some level of experience with this sort of thing. You got a lot more tolerance than me mate.. no way I could interview someone like that, I'd end up thumbing their eyes out.

Harlequin, I've not heard of butterfly kisses or the other one you mentioned? From the info there it sounds... hmmm disturbing is not a strong enough word..

You got any more info on this?

Cheers, Neil



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 08:03 AM
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I don't get as much opportunity to write replies on here as often as I would like and given the different topics that spark my interest, I could very easily keep myself busy on this site for quite some time. I won't go into that in so much as to comment on the information contained in this post and the replies that followed.

I'll start by sharing a story told to me by a very dear friend. The truth involved is somewhat questionable but I believe the lesson of the story is still very compelling. I'll tell this from my friend's perspective so there is no loss in value of the story. However, these are not my words, these are the best recollection I have of his.

"I was over at a friends house a while back and these two girls came over while we were playing beer pong. One of them caught my eye as soon as she came in and she gave me a little smile. I got goose bumps because she was really hot and she was smiling at me. I wasn't sure how she could be attracted to me but she seemed to be so I was going to make my move quick before I got blocked out by some other guy at the party. Keep in mind dude, I haven't been with a girl in about a year, so I was nervous as all get out.

Anyways, I went over and introduced myself and she gave me her name and stuff and we started talking. After about an hour of talking she asked me if I would like to go upstairs and "hang out" for a few. I went upstairs with her and we had some fun. I just thought I had gotten really lucky dude. No harm, no foul, right?

Check this out though man, when I woke up the next morning, still at my buddy's house, I started talking to my dude and he was like "Man, that chick was totally into you man, what did you do to her?" I just said we had some fun and he was like "Tell me you didn't!" I told him I was a gentleman and wouldn't kiss and tell and he was like "Dude, I mean it! Tell me you didn't!" and started freaking out on me! He said "Man, that girl was only 15 man!" I was floored!

So here I am thinking I had a great night and hit a total home run with this hottie and here she's only 15! I kept thinking "I'm screwed!"

Turns out that the protection I was wearing broke and she called up my buddy to tell him that she's pregnant! Then I got the police coming by my job to tell me I'm being arrested for criminal child endangerment and stuff and that I'm going to be locked up and stuff for being a child molester!

Dude, I'm only 20! How is that even possible? I ain't no child molester! I ain't robbing no babies or nothing! This girl looked older than me man! I didn't even think to ask her old she was! Dude she already had a bottle in her hand when she came in the door, it was still in the bag from the store, know what I'm saying? How am I about to catch a case on some kiddie crap when I'm not even like that?!!

And the crazy part is, the detectives were all up in my face saying that I was sick and perverted and all this crap! Telling me they were going to drop the hammer on me and put me away for life and stuff! Man, all I did was get a little action! I didn't mean to hurt nobody! What can I do man?"

My friend, who is quite a bit younger than I said that he was drinking for about two hours before she got there. He said that he noticed her the second she walked in and that she seemed to act like she was older and more refined than he was. He also told me that she didn't bleed or act overly sensitive as though this were new to her, and she seemed to know exactly what she was doing (in his words).

Here's my pondering mind at work...First, are we grouping characteristics of pedophilia too broadly by saying that "all pedophiles should be castrated and or killed"? Secondly, are we ignoring the job of the parents in a society where a 15 year old girl can so easily make her way to a party with alcohol and older men? Third, are we forgetting that this whole topic is generalized to such an extent that all we consider is small children and old men the minute we hear about it?



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 08:16 AM
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Oh man.. I truly feel sorry for your friend there dude..

The only thing I'd comment on is that if I'm even remotely interested in a girl I'll always ask her age, I'm only 21 myself but its just first thing that comes to mind.

That is about the only case where there can be some ambiguity as to who is to blame there. Cannot imagine how I'd feel if I had cops knocking on my door for something like that..

Just read the other part of your post, I imagine a lot of parents don't know that is happening. My parents always thought I was at a friends house when most nights we'd actually be going out, getting wrecked all night on the streets and not rolling home till 2 in the morning.

There is a lack of honesty in a lot of young men which is a big problem, when I was 18 I started seeing a girl who was only 15, she was gorgeous and had a mature head on her shoulders for her age (considering half the girls I know my age don't have the brains they were born with) not only did I have a warning (completely unnecassarily) off my dad about how old she was but I already knew I could end up in deep crap if I did anything. Even with her saying she wanted to I still waited till she was 16, just gotta show some restraint and common sense with issues as delicate as these

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