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Pedophile says 'two strikes' law will cause deaths

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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
you do know there is parity between male and female pedofiles don`t you?

the MSM want to hide the details , but they are there if you look - for every man that abuses aa little girl , a woman abuses a little boy (or girl)

Is this parity between the numbers of male and female pedophiles a belief of yours, or do you have research to back it up?

I'm aware there are female pedophiles, but I'm not aware of any statistics indicating a similar level of pedophilia amongst women to that of men.

[edit on 17/6/09 by Kailassa]




posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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Wow yet another thread of crusaders crying about pedo's. Surprise surprise. Again if you want to murder someone for a sexual act you yourself should seek profesional help, it is a known mental illness.


LOL - First time I’ve ever heard *justice* called a mental illness.


As far as the laws go, we dont put them in the gas chamber because its overkill for the crime.


Not *overkill* at all.
There is no other crime besides murder that is as long lasting as rape of a child.
If you can’t see that, or don’t want to that’s your problem.


The justice system sees that but mentally ill people do not. In FL (I forget the childs name) when a girl was buried alive the pedo did it because he thought hed be executed.


I’m sure he was spoon fed this by his lawyer. At least he got his monies worth.


Had the pedo not faced death he wouldnt have killed the child. This is about protecting victims.


Oh bs - protecting victims, what a bunch of rot that is. That’s completely absurd.

So, you promise the pedophiles they wont face the gas chamber if they’re caught?
Are you deranged?


Why does every crusader turn these threads into their own sick fantasy of death and castration?

Castration doesn’t work. Proven fact.
Death fantasy?
No fantasy at all.
Rape a child you’ve forfeited your life.
Simple. No fantasy at all.


There is a famous REFORMED EX-pedophile who talks about the illness on CNN. It is possible to fix some of them. I dont believe in mindless murder.


There is no such thing as a *reformed* pedophile. Only ones that lie and say they are.


Female sexual organs are not more important than human life.


Just that statement alone show’s how so far off base the best thing I can do is take your shovel away from you and tell you stop digging.

peace



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Memysabu
Wow yet another thread of crusaders crying about pedo's. Surprise surprise. . . .
Female sexual organs are not more important than human life.

The rape of a child does not just affect that child's sexual organs, although it may well damage them, leaving the child in pain for life and unable to ever enjoy sex.
It also often leaves the child emotionally damaged for life, never able to trust. It can cause lifelong depression and suicide. In a way it kills the child's spirit, and they can only go on living by wearing a mask.

Any adult doing this to a child deserves far worse than death.


By the way, your instant relating of pedophilia to "a girl's sexual organs," as though that is nothing very important, makes very clear just what type of person you are.

It's about children, not about sexual organs.
Children come in (at least) two genders.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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Here's what I think nobody is considering:

The motives between rape and murder are completely different.

Just because someone is a rapist/sexual abuser, DOES NOT mean that they are going to start murdering people to cover their tracks. Further, if these pedophiles do start murdering people, then they had those tendancies (thoughts/capabilities) already.


Characteristics of a Pedophile :
•Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age.
•Single or with few friends in his age group.
•If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations.
•He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration.
Link: crime.about.com...

Serial Killers:
Serial killers tend to share the following general characteristics:[11][12]

1. The majority are single, white males.
2. They are often intelligent, with IQs in the "bright normal" range.
3. Despite their high IQs, they do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work menial jobs.
4. They tend to come from unstable families.
5. As children, they are typically abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.
6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.
7. They often are mistrustful of their parents.
8. It is common to find that as children, they were abused—psychologically, physically and/or sexually—by a family member.
9. Many spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.
10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.
11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sadomasochistic pornography.
12. More than 60 percent wet their beds beyond the age of 12.
13. Many are fascinated with fire starting.
14. They are involved in sadistic activity or torturing small animals.
Link: en.wikipedia.org...


I think it's also important to note that some violent rapists escalate to murder, but if you look at their profiles, you will see they match killers more than pedophiles -- it's not the sex, it's the power and violence.

Personally, I think two strikes is one too many!



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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Here's some more information to show EXACTLY why two strikes is plenty!


Pedophiles who are arrested will often brag to police or correctional officers that they have committed many other offences. Some offenders claim the number of victims in the hundreds. In addition to this fact, pedophiles have the highest recidivism (re-offending) rate of any type of offenders, often as high as 77 percent.

...CYCLE OF PEDOPHILIA

Pedophiles differ from "traditional" offenders in many ways, but most alarming is their cycle of offending. Pedophiles often follow what is sometimes called the vicious Cycle of Pedophilia. There are nine steps to this cycle, which are as follows:

Link: www.victimsofviolence.on.ca...



This adds to what I was saying a couple posts up about the difference between pedophiles and murderers.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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That type of thinking is exactly why children are being murdered,

No.
That way of thinking does not force a person to rape and kill a child then murder them.
My way of thinking does not push a man into sodomizing a 18 month old to death.

That man deserves to die - period.

To even hint that my way of thinking is in any way responsible for the death of children has to be one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard.


Just as the War on Drugs is responsible for the higher crime levels due to the increased value of drugs.


That I agree with you there - But in no way does that line of reasoning work with putting a pedophile child rapist to death equates to more children being murdered.


Instead of pounding our chest like Neanderthals we should attempt to identify what creates this anti-social behavior and approach it as a mental illness and perhaps stop it before it happens.


Flawed comparison that.
I’m sure Neanderthals had it right.
Touch my baby and make it cry - you’re saber tooth tiger bait.
No in betweens.


You can kill and lockup all the rapists you want, but there will be new ones born everyday, so your solution will do nothing but ensure more children will die.


Ensure more children will die - what a farce. I can’t believe people starred that idiocy.

So, new rapists and child killers born every day?
You’re right.
Which obviously means the *system* is NOT working.

Try it my way for a while. Kill each and every DNA confirmed child rapist in a public execution.
And watch the numbers of child deaths associate to rape fall...
And if for some strange reason the numbers don’t fall?
At least you’ve made sure no other child was hurt by one of the pedophiles put to death.
That fact is something neither of us can debate.

Once dead they’d never hurt another child again.
And that is the only way to protect children, for good.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Standing ovation for your post.
Very well done.
I just couldn't go there.
Thank you.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by miraclerock
I don't want to defend pedophiles, but at what age do people think it is ok? I remember I was interested in sex long before I was 18, maybe its all the hormones being dumped in the water or something but it seems like puberty is a lot sooner than society likes to admit. At what point are you repressing people from doing what they want instead of protecting them is I guess what I'm asking, because I know if it were up to most parents there kids wouldn't have sex until they were 30.


Most reasonable places have close in age exceptions. In other words, you are way less likely to be swimming with the sharks when you're close to the same level of age and authority.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by miraclerock
I don't want to defend pedophiles, but at what age do people think it is ok? I remember I was interested in sex long before I was 18, maybe its all the hormones being dumped in the water or something but it seems like puberty is a lot sooner than society likes to admit. At what point are you repressing people from doing what they want instead of protecting them is I guess what I'm asking, because I know if it were up to most parents there kids wouldn't have sex until they were 30.


Most reasonable places have close in age exceptions. In other words, you are way less likely to be swimming with the sharks when you're close to the same level of age and authority.


Pedophilia is considered improper sexual contact between a person over the age of 18 with one that is under 18. So they do draw a definitive line.

Now, obviously if a 16 year old were having sex with a four year old that would be wrong, even if it doesn't fit the above criteria. That's why we have statutory rape.

But I know of not one court that would convict an 18 year old having sex with a 16 or 17 year old. Not unless the minor claimed it to be abusive OR if the parents had a problem with it. Usually if its the parents, the minor testifies and the judge determines it was consenual.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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i have a suggestion that would eliminate all these problems. How about we as a society stop criminalizing and demonizing these people who have these urges. Whum im sure if pedophilia wasnt illegal there wouldnt be as many rapes, now im not talking about people raping children and video taping it because that infringes on that childs rights, but we ban anime porn with children in it and where they morph the actors faces and bodies to look like children and why, it dosent hurt no one does it. no. If you look at it in many situations we are creating child rapers, because we deem their desires and sexual prefrences as immoral and wrong and make any way for these people to release these urges illegal and i dont see anything wrong with a young girl being with an older man as long as the parents allow it and the girl understands all the things that come with sex and they are not forced

and yes i agree with bob this makes more murderers out of it, why go to jail when you can just kill the kid and you can prolly get away wit it, and the harsh penalties for these actions only do the same thing, because why let em go so they can go tell everyone when you can kill em and get away with it

imo we need to get these people help just like drug addicts and people with other addictions



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
So pedophile laws are too harsh? Yes? No?

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with sex as long as its between willing, even if the willing is 12 yrs old . As we know in many nations 12 is the age of consent.



The same nations that worship the prophet Mohammed, who himself was a pedophile? I definately wouldn't promote any law simply because the sick Muslims think it's OK.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by RRconservative]



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative

Originally posted by Techsnow
So pedophile laws are too harsh? Yes? No?

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with sex as long as its between willing, even if the willing is 12 yrs old . As we know in many nations 12 is the age of consent.



The same nations that worship the prophet Mohammed, who himself was a pedophile? I definately wouldn't promote any law simply because the sick Muslims think it's OK.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by RRconservative]


ooh here we go some more muslim hate have you ever heard of medievel times where almost all kingdoms king would basically sell their daughters to other kingdoms to improve relationships or pay off a debt so dont limit it to the "radical immoral 3rd world terrorist" muslims okay



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Techsnow
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You have a 17yr old.. OK what is you're point?

In the past men traded their 12 year old daughters for the right to live and they do still today. All I'm saying.l


What is the meaning of this?

You mean, fathers are being forced by pedophile gangs to give up their daughters for the father's own right to live?


'If you don't give up your daughter(s) we'll kill you'

Is that what it is?

Off with the pedo's heads! Off with it I say!

[edit on 17-6-2009 by star in a jar]



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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I feel very disgusted after reading this thread. At this place of all places, you still believe in pure evil. Murder is not justice! Torture is not justice! Why do you think a pedophile cannot get help? It is not a "cold hard fact". "Evil" is an archaic term used to explain why someone can do a terrible act. We're smarter than this now, we know that these people aren't supernatural villains, these are human beings with warped cognition. We may as well begin witch hunts once again.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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just a heads up, anyone siding with the pedophiles in this thread will shortly be receiving knocks on the doors from your local law agency for investigation

fyi there is no excuse for abusing a child and there should be no remorse in the punishment



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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Coming from the mind of a person that has been in and out of the penile system for the past few years, for nonviolent crimes (child support violations/drug trafficking) I can honestly say putting these suckers in prison does do some damage to them. Child abusers/rapists/etc usually are placed in segregation units, reason being, when another inmate becomes privy to the info this person does things to children, they have a tendency to hand out vigilante prison justice upon the sexual predator.
Sometimes it can be beating the predator within an inch of their life, it can be rape, it can be making that inmate into their B*t*h. WHatever it is, the predator gets the pain they inflicted upon a child returned to them tenfold until they are released, if they make it that long without being murdered at the hands of a inmate that had a crime committed upon their child at one time.
I was in general hold while awaiting trial for driving on a suspended license. I make friends wherever I am, including jail. Well, I was sitting around talking to people that had been locked up, most were in for just htat, suspended license, but one guy and ill never forget him as long as i live, said he was in there for the same. we got to arraignment court the next morning, and everyone sits in a lil room while one by one, you tlak to a judge while htey decide to release you or set bond. well this guys name was called and the judge says," Mr. So and so, it states here you are accused of molesting and raping your 13 yr old foster daughter, bond set at 50k" we al got back to general hold after everyone had bond set or released or whatnot, and me and about 15 other guys had this guy backed into a corner, literally beating the crap out of him. Guards came in, pepper sprayed everyone and pulled him out, placed him into isolation. We were bound and determined to make him feel the pain he inflicted on that child. Personally, I think they should have left him in there, maybe then he would have realized just how badly he hurt that child. Maybe not, hell i dunno how pervs think.
My 2 cents


 
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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"What is the meaning of this?

You mean, fathers are being forced by pedophile gangs to give up their daughters for the father's own right to live?


'If you don't give up your daughter(s) we'll kill you' "

Sad matter of the fact, in many uncivilized asian nations including Cambodia, this is the case. The little girls are taken by gangs not unlike the Mafia, and sold into sex slavery for perverted westerners to come and have sex with, girls as young as 7 and 8. It's very very sad


 
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
just a heads up, anyone siding with the pedophiles in this thread will shortly be receiving knocks on the doors from your local law agency for investigation

fyi there is no excuse for abusing a child and there should be no remorse in the punishment


no one here is excusing the actions of these people but i am argueing that we make them resort to these actions by deeming their desires as immoral and evil, we outlaw pedophilia even if no children get hurt now that has nothing to do with protecting children from people who have these desires but it is just to demonize their desires

liberty is a 2 way street



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