well i would think if the pedophile sexually abused a child before killing them, that would not be ignored in lieu of the murder.

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How about you eliminate the second strike and make it a law that if you rape a child and are proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt that you get a one way ticket to the gas chamber.... as this is the best way to insure that no second strike is ever required.


Eventually the judicial system will figure out that you cannot redeem nor rehabilitate a pederast, and the most humane thing to do for them and for their potential victims is to send them on back to hell where they came from.



[edit on 6/17/09 by BlackOps719]

How about we loosen the stigma around pedophiles and get these people some help? I mean a Heroin addict that robs people for bump money can walk in to a clinic, say he wants to get clean and will do no jail time. Plus people will call him a hero for trying to clean up his life. (I agree by the way)

Good luck finding that for pedophiles. Most psychologists wont even take them as clients due to the stigma that they have.

So, they actually have to COMMIT the crime so they can be arrested, then have FORCED help in prison.

Waste of time, money, and a childs' innocence if you ask me.

There is no helping pedophiles. Once they are attracted to young girls, it only gets worse (younger). They eventually fail to be aroused by anyone older than "their limit".

Those are the cold hard facts. Any attempt to help a pedophile will result in nothing. Maybe castration would be the best result?

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Originally posted by Techsnow
So pedophile laws are too harsh? Yes? No?

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with sex as long as its between willing, even if the willing is 12 yrs old . As we know in many nations 12 is the age of consent.

Back to the subject... if a person gets two strikes and is put in jail for life after that yes it could lead to serious consequences.

Wow, well thats certainly one way to look at it. However i think the laws regarding age of consent alot of times specify also the age range of the person they are consenting with. I have a daughter who is 17 now but when she was 12 if i had found out she was sleeping with a 40 year old man i would want him in jail if not off the planet. Seriously this argument could go on forever as to if a 12 year old is even old enough emotionally to consent to such a thing. Jesus a 12 year old kid is so easily taken in by an older person that its not real consent if they are being taken advantage of.

I cannot believe i am reading this on ATS, nd as far as the stigma associated with these people its for good reason. Heroin addiction is hurting yourself but child molesting is hurting someone else.
Yes i know drugs addicts hurt other people in the process of what they do but they mainly hurt themselves and destroy themselves physically via the drug. Abusing children isnt a drug, yes it may be a mental illness and require treatment but i can understand the reluctance of any therapist to want to treat someone with this problem. Admiting to wanting to or actually harming something as precious and innocent as a child should carry a shame and stigma. God i dont want to live in the world were pedophiles are revered as the next heroe addict who needs our sympathy and support. Let them seek help and let them get it but understand that the very nature of the acts they do should be villified and demonized!

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Originally posted by fizzy1

Originally posted by Techsnow
So pedophile laws are too harsh? Yes? No?

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with sex as long as its between willing, even if the willing is 12 yrs old . As we know in many nations 12 is the age of consent.

Back to the subject... if a person gets two strikes and is put in jail for life after that yes it could lead to serious consequences.

Wow, well thats certainly one way to look at it. However i think the laws regarding age of consent alot of times specify also the age range of the person they are consenting with. I have a daughter who is 17 now but when she was 12 if i had found out she was sleeping with a 40 year old man i would want him in jail if not off the planet. Seriously this argument could go on forever as to if a 12 year old is even old enough emotionally to consent to such a thing. Jesus a 12 year old kid

I stopped reading after that.

Way to bring Jesus into it!

You have a 17yr old.. OK what is you're point?

In the past men traded their 12 year old daughters for the right to live and they do still today. All I'm saying.l

When punishments are so severe for certain crimes the victims are murdered not because it carry's a lessor sentence, but because the witness to the crime cannot speak about it if they're dead - thus the criminal or in this case sex offender knows they have a better chance at getting away with the crime if they kill their victim.

So, assuming at some point during or prior to the crime the suspect knows if he gets caught he will be put away for life or executed. Knowing that he decreases his chance of getting caught and killed thus he's compelled to kill the only witness for the immediate penalty is no worse and his chances of getting caught are less. Pretty simple.


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Originally posted by Techsnow




I stopped reading after that.

Way to bring Jesus into it!

You have a 17yr old.. OK what is you're point?

In the past men traded their 12 year old daughters for the right to live and they do still today. All I'm saying.l

I think i made my point about my daughter and do not even get started about my kid. You seem like someone who condones sex with a 12 year old and that disgusts me. Enough said.

What's so wrong wth sex with a 12 yr old?

If the father agrees and its legal in the society then is there a problem with it?

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
well i would think if the pedophile sexually abused a child before killing them, that would not be ignored in lieu of the murder.

Unfortunately, You're average Pedo isnt' smart enough to notice that