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Originally posted by easynow
can you explain why the "stars" disappear when the camera zooms back in and the fact that there are other objects which are not stars disappear as well ?
to me that might be proof that not all the objects are close to the camera ?
the ones which appear as notched discs when zoomed, are CLOSE!
Originally posted by depthoffield
You are assuming wrong. No big attention needed, everybody can see that the bright moving objects are also filling the entire frame even when the camera is NOT ZOOMED. Look for one example, in STS75 videos there are many times when camera is not-zoomed:
And when camera is not zoomed, it has an wide angle. Not small as you may want people to comprehend.
Let's make an estimate, taking tether as a ruler:
Tether has about 20 km. The distance from the shuttle to the tether is about 100 km.
But the tether in this un-zoomed image have just a little less than a third of the entire frame's height, let's say exactly one third for the sake of calculations.
It means the entire height of the frame is able to see 3 x 20 = 60 km at the distance (100km) where the tether is.
Therefore, basic geometrics, we could calculate the angle:
tan (angle) = 30/100
it results the angle:
Vertical Angle = 33 degree.
This value so represents the vertical angle of the lens when un-zoomed.
The horizontal angle it is bigger, let's assume a 4:3 aspect ratio of the frame, therefore
Horizontal angle = 44 degree
if you imagine the full circle 360 degree, a panorama if you wish, where camera could look if desired (ignoring the real posibilites in that circumstance), then NASA camera sees about 1 / 8 from a full panorama. Do you label this as "tiny"?
This values are pretty nominal for a normal angle (not-zoomed) lens, they represents a wide angle, just like your own photocamera or videocamera is able to have when UNZOOMED. Who says about "tiny"?
So, Poet1b, don't assume things about "tiny areas".
More, and this you ignore (why?), so, who is telling that those particles of debris are just in front of the camera? Have you any over video from STS75 looking to other areas in the same time, and no debris recorded to be sure when making this claim? Damn debris, are going just and only in one particular camera's angle of view...
It is like somebody film the sky with stars, no matter zoom or un-zoom, seeing and recording some stars in the frame, and then somebody else which later see the movie, wondering "why those tiny bright dots are only in the frame, the chances of this happening are so extremely unlikely to be .." This assuming of yours is hilarious when judgeing in it's full naked objectivity.
The shuttle could be very well surrounded by the cloud of debris generated by itself, so they are almost everywhere, not only in your "tiny area where lens it is seeing the very distant tether".
what you say? "unlikely chances"? maybe this is your biased wish, but the mundane reality, you know, the very probable one, don't care about everybody's wishes.
[edit on 1/10/09 by depthoffield]
Yes, I said it several times in other threads, and I think I said at least once in this thread.
Originally posted by manxman2
but regardless of our differing opinion you do acknowledge it comes to a halt and then evenly decends into the storm.
you only have to watch abit thurther to see the other leave they are both in view at the same time.
What do you mean by that? I don't see any of those objects leaving Earth's gravity, could you please tell me at what time does that happen in that video?
tell me do you really believe an object can just leave earths gravity at will like that without being internally powered. .. as i dont.
I don't have any problem with any craft being interested in the tether, I just don't see it that way.
now i have no problem in seeing the fact that those 2 craft were overly interested in that electrical activity i also have no doubt the same type of intelligence in control of them craft would be equally as interested in that tether.
Not necessarily, with that type of image it's not possible to know if the objects were in front or behind the tether because the sensor was overloaded.
and regardless of the bokeh effect other non bokeh objects were on a trajectory behind that tether.
I think that we see maybe three different types of objects:
Originally posted by manxman2
well i havent read those other threads so what do you think is going on in that clip i put up.
I don't see anything "rising", could you post a screen-shot?
3.26 rises and vacates
It's never possible to completely believe our eyes, mostly when looking at a 3D scene reduced to a 2D environment and without any depth deferences, like in this case.
so lets see because you THINK the censor was overloaded its not possible to believe your eyes ..
And in what do you base your opinion that they are behind the tether and not affected by bokeh?
fair enough .. but for me there are objects moving behind the tether without the possible bokeh effect with the large pulsing light sources..
"Maybes" is the only thing I can realistically use in this case, because I don't have any definite information about those things and I cannot be sure of anything.
and it will take abit more than maybe they were not behind the tether because maybe the camera lense may be at fault as well as causing the bokeh effect.
Then I suggest you start looking, that video has been discussed several times on ATS and I personally think that it's the closest thing to a hypothetical plasma creature that I have seen.
ive yet to see anyone anywhere have a theory on what else was happening with those 2 objects in that clip i put up.