Swine Flu news and updates thread

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
Flu Fears Remain High But Confirmed H1N1 Cases Stay Low (NY1 News)
h1n1alliance.org...

This is critical thinking. Every person who went to school in the First World at least has received tax payer funded traning on how to use critical thinking. On how to see the news. Most of us just didn't care, understand or choose to remember it.

I'm guessing that you either: 1) went to a private K-12 school, or 2) have at least a bachelors if not a graduate degree, or 3) attended school outside the US

Critical thinking and media literacy are not taught in the bulk of public K-12 schools. In fact, most schools in the U.S. are given cookie-cutter textbooks that do not provide much detail, and state many facts that aren't necessarily true. Most of the learning environments aren't interactive but teach students to be a pretty passive audience to the "sage on the stage..."--Just like for the MSM, TPTB, etc...There are some great teachers out there who work to get out of this mode but to do so takes away from Standards Of Learning that they and their students are measured against.

Also, remember the high dropout rates of masses in the US before they even graduate!

So, back on topic...you can't blame the "average Joe" (American at least) for not having the background to analyze, or sythesize data related to issues surrounding h1n1...or many issues for that matter! I do agree with you that there are facts, stories, and messages available to the educated...but average Joe doesn't necessarily have the capability to know how to gain resources, think critically,etc.

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reply to post by ecoparity

1. The CDC and WHO instructed Doctors to stop testing new cases weeks ago. In ER's only the people being put into a room to stay are being tested.

So this implys that these new numbers we are seeing in fact are current hospitalized cases and not "left-over" lab testing...scary...if these numbers are still increasing by hundreds a day it will generate a tipping point in the near future...

And here's another..."anomoly"...
# Acatlán de Juárez: Seasonal Influenza A Confirmed as Cause of Death for 22-Year-Old With ~*"Atypical Pneumonia"*~; Novel Influenza A (H1N1) R..less than a minute ago from twitterfeed

CDC Flu Expert Provides Update on Swine Flu Response at ASM
www.genomeweb.com...

# Toulouse: One Suspected Case of Influenza A (H1N1) Admitted to Purpan Hospital: Date: May 20, 2009 16:14 UTC Risk: Medium LaDepesche,..less than a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Kansas: State Officials Confirm Three New Cases of Influenza A (H1N1) Bringing State Total to 52: Date: May 20, 2009 16:10 UTC Risk: ..less than a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Taoyuan County: First Influenza A (H1N1) Case in Taiwan Confirmed in 52-Year-Old Foreigner: Date: May 20, 2009 15:41 UTC Risk: Medium..less than a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Kawasaki City: Kanagawa Prefecture Confirms First Case of Influenza A (H1N1); Travel Companion of Tokyo Case; Nationwide Case Count Reach..less than a minute ago from twitterfeed

[edit on 5/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by ecoparity


Of course they don't. But then, they TOLD YOU that they aren't testing everyone. They told you who they will be testing. It is freely available information, right from the horse's mouth.

People don't understand what that means. Which is way different than the data being hidden.

reply to post by sonjah1


I live in Canada. I guarantee that we all got this from about grade 6 on.

Canadian circuluum is not significantly different than US circuluum.

How much people care or understand when it is being taught, that is a whole other story.

If you wish, please put into Google "media literacy awareness" and you can find several Canadian sites that will give you the basic training on it.

[edit on 2009/5/20 by Aeons]

Hospitalization Rates Higher in Kids Who Get Flu Shots

(HealthDay News) - Children who get the annual flu vaccine, especially those who have asthma, may be more likely to be hospitalized than children who don't get the shot, a new study shows.

www.cbc.ca...

Originally posted by irishchic
reply to post by redhead57

 

Yep...on the soles of the feet and then put of socks.Really seems to help,not sure why.
I'm the oldest of 8 kids and my Mom is a genius for her "at home" remedys mostly due to necessity but damn if they don't work!
You peel either the giner or garlic if using freah and sorta' mash it up a bit with a spoon...steep in boiling water and sweeten if need be.
The garlic isn't really as bad as it sounds and honestly,the healing-properties are worth a bit of nasty to me.
Please feel better soon!!!

The reason it helps is because the juices are absorbed through the skin in the same way as essential oils.

Just to add that everyone in our house, apart from me, are now totally over whatever bugs they may have had. Daughter had a cough that lasted about 3 or 4 weeks. Both sons had vomiting and fevers but no coughs. I've still got a cough but feel totally well now. Hubby is totally fine and hasn't been ill. Maybe I'll ask him to rub some garlic mix on my chest tonight!

Originally posted by sonjah1So, back on topic...you can't blame the "average Joe" (American at least) for not having the background to analyze, or sythesize data related to issues surrounding h1n1...or many issues for that matter! I do agree with you that there are facts, stories, and messages available to the educated...but average Joe doesn't necessarily have the capability to know how to gain resources, think critically,etc.

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Oh Yes I Can. If one chooses freely to abdicate responsibility for onesself and one's children out of laziness, then one totally holds the blame.

Free Education. Free. Free training. Free Libraries. Free Internet Connections.

Everything needed has actually been turned into easy to digest pap. And they cannot even be bothered to open their mouth?

I can blame average joe. And I do.

[edit on 2009/5/20 by Aeons]

Tokyo reports second flu case

Swine flu hit the most populous urban area on earth Wednesday when two schoolgirls in Tokyo tested positive for the disease as Japan's national total reached 267, reports and officials said.

16-year-old girl became the first confirmed case of A(H1N1) in the Japanese capital and its surrounding districts, home to around 36 million people, more than any other population centre in the world.

www.bangkokpost.com...

I think it's spreading quite fast in Japan, don't you guys think so?

Tokyo could be a nightmare! - big city of 36 million people.

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by ecoparity

 

Of course they don't. But then, they TOLD YOU that they aren't testing everyone. They told you who they will be testing. It is freely available information, right from the horse's mouth.

People don't understand what that means. Which is way different than the data being hidden.

No they did not"TELL US" what the parameters were for testing. They have continued to represent the level of threat as being very low based on the number of infected. They have not gone on national TV or in the press and told people "we are only testing people who are being admitted into the hospital".

We have that information from other sources.

THEY are making false representations and allowing people to make false conclusions based on misleading data.

Honestly, I don't know what your point is. People are gullible and stupid and it's easy for the government to manipulate them but it's their own fault? Even if I agree with that statement it's still complete bull#.

The government is not allowed to manipulate and mislead people because they are too stupid to see through it. Positions of public trust and all that sticky stuff, you know.

You're beating a point to death that no one gives a damn about for one thing and contributes nothing to the discussion at hand.

Once again, I think you would be better suited starting your own thread to debate this.

Since nearly everywhere now are only testing and reporting cases which are hospitalized, surely this is quite worrying as there is still a good increase of 300 to 400 in the US alone each day, i hope not all of these are serious cases but the fact they are not testing mild cases implies they are

reply to post by Aeons


Canada is different in many positive ways from the U.S.

IMHO one of the goals of K-12 education in the U.S. is to condition the students to become passive when it comes to the media, the government, etc. or to get caught up in Hollywood, pop culture, and other distractions

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reply to post by ecoparity


en.wikipedia.org...

Number of countries with confirmed or suspected cases: 52.

# Some authorities have stopped testing all but seriously ill patients.[55] Infectious diseases specialist Gordon Dickinson said that for every confirmed case, there are probably hundreds of unconfirmed cases.[56]

§ The governments of Mexico[57] and Canada[58] have stopped reporting suspected cases.

‡ Suspected and probable cases have not been confirmed as being due to this strain of influenza by laboratory tests, although some other strains may have been ruled out.
¤ The "confirmed cases" figure for the United States includes probable cases.
(y) The virus is known to have been transmitted in-country, but no specific numbers are available.

The government *IS* telling you.

The message is merely not being heard.

www.hhs.gov... (can also be seen they give you a link to put on your website on teh Home Page.)

www.hc-sc.gc.ca... (notice is on the home page)

www.dh.gov.uk... (home page also)

www.cbc.ca - (government OWNED entity) On the front page.

www.bbc.co.uk (also government service) - Nothing.

Privately or publicly owned agencies

www.msnbc.om - Two blondes, One brunette, One redhead. No mention.

www.cnn.com - image of graduating students. No obvious mention.

Easy to get at. Easy to find. Government is not hiding anything. When you access anything from the governments, it is all there. When you access NON government entities.....

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reply to post by irishchic


I think you should start a new thread in which we can all discuss "messing around," while having flu like symptoms.




On a more serious note, it does seem that the MSM has been sprinkling in more and more stories about the Flu just as some here predicted. I am not generally a conspiracy guy but one does have to wonder what the heck is going on here.

I've been watching the cable news networks over the past week and was absolutely amazed at the stories they were running while ignoring this one. Even if we forget the possibility that there could more serious cases popping up with increasing frequency, the quantity of confirmed and suspected cases ALONE should have made this a top news story.

Very, very odd.

Summer swimming pools. Will this thing sit in the pool water and spread through kids swimming? The pool water is all over them. They open their eyes in it ... some end up swallowing some ...

Chlorine kills a lot of stuff .... but ....

Anyone know?

reply to post by Aeons


I said yesterday I was done.........but today is a new day

I am having difficulty understanding your postion here on this thread.......

What is your goal here........

Are you contributing to this thread or just ridiuculing those who question the media/cdc/gov/who and who seek the truth?

Yes, I know you have been here since April 27th.....and so have I as well as many other members still following this thread.......

In one post explain yourself and be done.........and stop ridiuculing every other poster who questions the media......

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[edit on 20-5-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

Originally posted by ZombieSlayer
Hospitalization Rates Higher in Kids Who Get Flu Shots

My daughter has asthma. We'd get her the flu shot and within 24 - 48 hours she'd be AWFULLY sick .. each time. Sick that would last for 2-3 weeks and that would reoccur all winter long. We did that for three years and then stopped. She never got the flu vaccine again and she never got sick like that again.

Originally posted by ecoparity

Once again, I think you would be better suited starting your own thread to debate this.

Maybe instead of starting his own thread he should look for information at the CNN site or try to talk to someone from the CDC, since he thinks the government and MSM are so trustful.

reply to post by jonny2410


At least in Ontario Canada, a person who was hospitalized and in ICU for 2 days was described as having a "mild form of the illness". Their idea of mild flu differs significantly from mine. When he and his mother started speaking out saying his case hadn't been mild, TPTB said it was described as mild because he was not put on a respirator.

www.healthzone.ca...

Full mobilization to contain swine flu virus

Government officials have mobilized all public agencies and resources to stem the possible spread of the swine flu virus after increasing the epidemic alert to Level 2, or yellow, following the confirmation of the first case here yesterday.

He also called for full cooperation from the public to jointly prevent the spread of the virus.

www.chinapost.com.tw...

Taiwan seems to take actions and reacts quite fast against the spread of the virus.

They seem to take this threat more serious than us in the western world?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Here ya go, if you believe the CDC:

Can the new H1N1 flu virus be spread through water in swimming pools, spas, water parks, interactive fountains, and other treated recreational water venues?
Influenza viruses infect the human upper respiratory tract. There has never been a documented case of influenza virus infection associated with water exposure. Recreational water that has been treated at CDC recommended disinfectant levels does not likely pose a risk for transmission of influenza viruses. No research has been completed on the susceptibility of the H1N1 influenza virus to chlorine and other disinfectants used in swimming pools, spas, water parks, interactive fountains, and other treated recreational venues. However, recent studies have demonstrated that free chlorine levels recommended by CDC (1–3 parts per million [ppm or mg/L] for pools and 2–5 ppm for spas) are adequate to disinfect avian influenza A (H5N1) virus. It is likely that other influenza viruses such as novel H1N1 virus would also be similarly disinfected by chlorine.

www.pandemicflu.gov...

Had the same question myself since the kids like to go swimming everyday--in conclusion, they will swim at home and not go to other water-parks, swim clubs, etc....CDC just again sounds so indifferent on this one....

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