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Swine Flu news and updates thread

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posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Chevalerous
A bug by any other name

But I have never even heard about the first genetic tests that revealed A (H1N1) A viruses. They can cause disease in birds, swine, horses, ferrets, dogs, cats, mink, seals, whales and other species.

Why do I have the feeling that they are not telling us the whole truth about this virus that so many people have now?

I'm beginning to think they are covering up much more than we know!

ECO! can you explain this with the first genetic test that showed this was A (H1N1)?

I wish I knew more about genetic testing!

The flu virus is a bit of a genetic pack rat. It has the ability to perform DNA surgery on itself by grabbing bits of DNA from any host it's current infected. It does this to repair itself and to enhance it's chances of staying alive, infecting more hosts like the one it's current in or even picking up new hosts should the current one have some DNA from another species (such as swine who can pick up human DNA from previous flu infections).

It' gets very complicated but to answer your question in the best way:

This virus is a swine virus, type A which picked up the ability to infect humans.

It also carries some DNA from other "previous" hosts or contaminated DNA from the swine.

One of the reasons the researchers suspect the virus is man made is due to the variety of DNA it carries. It "looks" like a virus which has been around the globe and infected a lot of different hosts yet it just popped up in Mexico and is a "novel virus" which means we haven't seen this exact version before.

A lab virus might be a mix of previous epidemic bugs and new ones. If they wanted to study what it would do in people they would have used swine DNA. The virus also has DNA from eggs which are used to incubate lab viruses for study or for making vaccines.

I made a post a while back that went over the genetic details of this one. You might be able to search on my user name and posts and find it if interested.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:43 PM

Originally posted by switching yard
reply to post by novacs4me

Star for yuo, thanks for the answer to the 'how many ventilators in USA' question...

"Currently, there are 105,000 mechanical ventilators in the U.S., and on any given day, 75,000 to 80,000 are in use.4 An estimated total of 742,500 ventilators would be needed over the entire course of a serious flu pandemic similar to the Spanish flu pandemic.4 Additionally, since respiratory therapists typically manage mechanical ventilation, additional ventilators will not be helpful unless we can find the staff to operate them."

O.K., so following the current trend (confirmed cases have doubled in past 14 days), I wonder how soon on the calendar we would reach capacity on all these 105,000 ventilators. 105, 000 is a pretty small fraction of the total US population. So, at some point during a full-scale pandemic, unless I am reading this wrong, millions of Americans would be turned away unable to find an available ventilator. What alternate treatments are there, if any, when one cannot gain access to a ventilator. I know there's the DIY Ventilator posted earlier on this thread, what else? Anything?

I suspect we are just under full capacity and they may even be shipping units from hospitals with few cases to busy ones who are running out.

I've already passed on a few questions related to this and hope to have an answer by tonight.

We hit a tipping point of new hospital admissions last weekend. We'll probably see another rapid rise in cases approaching this coming weekend as well. What I fear is that we'll have a Mexico City incident where the system is swamped. We've brought this up a few times but I think we're close to hitting that peak.

If not this coming weekend then perhaps not long after. Watch for more stories reporting ERs are overwhelmed. The small ones are already there, it won't be long before the bigger ones begin to fold.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:50 PM
At some point soon most of you must realize that the reporting structure will change once again - no longer will you get numbers on new cases who have been hospitalized - you will only get "death" counts.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:50 PM
Seems a lot of schools and students are headlines...

WI Leads Nations in Number of Swine Flu Cases

Confirmed cases of swine flu rise to 299 in NY

Two confirmed swine flu cases in Rockland

22 news cases of swine flu identified in Mass.

Officials Confirm 6th Local H1N1 Case

Ocean Springs student diagnosed with Swine Flu

2 MS Schools Confirm Swine Flu Cases

Lee Elementary School parents express concerns about swine flu

Press Release: Socialists Call for Swift Action to Combat Swine Flu Outbreak

Scientists link influenza A (H1N1) susceptibility to common levels of arsenic exposure

Swine flu case reported in Havasu

# H1N1 Exclusive Pandemic : Recombination will be optimal for avian flu called PB2 is optimal at 41 Celcius, the seasonal flu @ 34 C9 minutes ago from web

# H1N1 Flu : Suspect Swine H1N1 Toddler Death in NY Raises Concerns. Family members say the boy was turning blue before dying12 minutes ago from web

[edit on 5/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:51 PM
I'm so damn frustrated with the reporting of cases.

For Louisiana:

Latest From CDC: 73
Latest From Louisana Department of Health: 86
Latest From Local CBS Affiliate: 20

Latest From Local NBC Affiliate: 56
Latest From Local Fox Affiliate: 20
Latest From Local ABC Affiliate: 20

That is not very pleasing news. No one has their numbers right, yet I'm supposed to believe that all the information is out there in a fair manner and nothing is being kept out of public view? They can't even keep their numbers straight.

Thanks to all the members that keep updates going here. Without all of your invaluable information in one spot we would be left in the dark.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:53 PM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

Did you see a report of a 16 year old boy..........VERY critically ill somewhere?......I got this info from a source but not the location......and it may not be reported....

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 01:57 PM
reply to post by niteboy82

Don't you know Coonasses can't count...

Its okay I am one........
Wouldn't have it another way...

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:00 PM
Egyptian state news agency MENA reports that two Egyptian boys, aged 4 and 3, have contracted the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus.
about 3 hours ago from BNO Headquarters

I am confused - I thought the H1N1 was a mix of pig and bird flu viruses - is the H5N1 just bird flu by itself?

Sorry if already posted.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:02 PM
Here's some more news about H1N1 and Vitamin D:

Part of the enthusiasm for vitamin D is based on research suggesting that it stimulates immune cells to produce anti-microbial substances that fight and help control the replication of viruses in the body. At the same time, vitamin D helps tone down the immune system's response to invading viruses in the respiratory tract. It can prevent the overproduction of inflammatory substances that can lead to fluid buildup, more severe symptoms, even death. During the 1918 pandemic, flu produced severe inflammation in the lungs that caused many of its victims to drown in their own fluids.

Spending small periods of time out in the sun without sunscreen could be one of the best things we can do for our bodies in order to help us prevent getting H1N1 and/or to help us recover from it.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:05 PM
reply to post by CINY8

H5N1 is bird flu.

Read ecoparity's post at the top of this page to better understand H1N1.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:08 PM
reply to post by cornblossom

yeah but our governments have scared everyone into being sunscreen slapping, stay under cover freaks!

cancer will get you... cancer will get you!

Sunscreen actually in my humble opinion causes more skin cancer by giving people false hope that they are 'protected'....

Dont worship the sun and seek a nutmeg tan... but please people nature gives us our needs.. the sun is one of our Vit D givers.. for free and without E numbers...

Im not a 'stupid cancer denial victim' either..... My grandfather died of skin cancer which spread but we still have to have sun time..

So yes... GET out in the sun peeps!

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:12 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

Please feel free.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:14 PM
MIA Media
I thought I'd throw this out here and see if anyone who wants to help investigate feels like taking this one on.

These guys had one of the best case reporting sites and then suddenly announced they were going to stop covering the swine flu outbreak. Then, before the end date arrived the entire website went offline and has remained down.

We (myself and some of the people I'm working with on this) contacted Veratect and the people we talked to on the phone could not even tell us what was going on. They agreed to pass a note to the CEO and we haven't heard back from them since then.

Alex Jones
I'm not a huge fan, just kind of wait and see on this guy. His radio network hired Steve Quayle which may or may not prove to screw them in the end. Steve got together with Alex and a week before the news from Mexico broke they predicted the NWO was about to make the big move.

Early in the epidemic, Alex was screaming this was it, the NWO was going to kill us all with bio weapons and the end is near.

Quite suddenly, Alex changed positions and started calling it a hoax after George4title went to Mexico and was unable to find any signs of mass death. (Of course he arrived too late and was too scared togo into any of the real hospitals). I have no clue if George found anything out other than the people in Mexico know better than to trust the government, something Americans still have a hard time accepting.

Then, Alex's youtube channel was taken offline as was a couple of other GCN show hosts.

At this point I got bored with listening and stopped. I have no clue what his current position is but I'm suspicious as hell based on what we in this little forum group have been able to find out. I don't think Alex is touching this one with a ten foot pole for various reasons.

Jeff Rense
Not a lot of coverage but he does have Dr Niman on quite a bit and after he ran some shows with people taking the same investigative course we have his system was attacked and knocked offline for a week. I haven't had time to listen to this weeks shows and see what he knows. Jeff doesn't really take a personal position on stuff though, he just puts it all out there, no matter how goofy and let's the listener / reader decide. (Except for issues involving the "Zionist Jews" as he puts it. He has a lot to say on that one but I just kind of sit back and let it go by. He's no Klan member or anything but it's a touchy subject).

Coast to Coast
Not much coverage at all. Had Alex Jones on early on with Steve "tomorrow is doomsday" Quayle but I skipped that show. I think they've taken the hands off approach on this one.

So is the message that anyone who gets involved in investigating this from a press perspective can expect to have issues? The usual suspects of the alternative media seem to be staying far, far away from this one.

Anyone know of other resources that went offline?

Any decent alt media coverage out there I don't know about?

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:17 PM

Originally posted by ecoparity

They are not doing that job, period. In fact, they've gone out of their way to confuse the issue and for every "statement of truth" someone finds in the press there are a hundred others designed to convince people:
1. The flu is mild
2. The flu only kills people who are weak or sick
3. Don't worry, keep working and shopping

What would you like people to do? Run around in terror? Plastic their windows? Never go food shopping again, or at least not for the next year? You would like to see all schools closed for a year? All workplaces shut down?

Exactly, WHAT is it that you want people to do?

Be AFRAID. Don't do ANYTHING! Stop everything for a year!

This isn't useful, logical or realistic.

You are clearly angry. At "someone" out there. You want "them" to do something. You want them to whip everyone up to ...........


posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:19 PM
U.S. officials consider bumping up flu shot season

Del. reports 2 dozen more swine flu cases

Conrad Weiser has 10 confirmed cases of swine flu among students, district officials say

McLean County confirms first swine flu case; figure nears 800 in Illinois

Two new cases of swine flu bring Ky. total to 15

2nd case of swine flu confirmed at Meyzeek Middle

Flu Closes 5th Mass. School

Swine flu remains mild as B.C. cases rise

Vermont has second case of swine flu

FLU UPDATE: Georgia has two more confirmed cases

Clinics and Doctors' Offices Spreading Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria (Superbugs)

Beijing, China: 2 confirmed caseSource: China DailyDate: 20 May 2009, 07:52 GMT2 minutes ago from twitterfeed

[edit on 5/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:20 PM
reply to post by yzzyUK

You're absolutely right that we do need to have "sun time." Being outside for extended periods of time has been shown to cause skin cancer; however, I think the whole sunscreen thing has been over-hyped, leading people to be afraid to spend any time in the sun without sunscreen. This can contribute to Vitamin D deficiency, and thus make us more vulnerable to contracting influenza and/or viruses.

Here's some information you might find interesting:

Vitamin D deficiency is particularly a problem for North Americans, research shows, due in part to the higher latitudes at which they live. As well, because of concerns about skin cancer, many people now wear sunscreen, which inhibits the body's ability to use sunlight to make the vitamin. The Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto says that sunscreen with an SPF above 8 blocks all vitamin D production through the skin.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:21 PM
Does anyone else get on blog talk radio. I posted a show tonight at 5 pm central time to discuss the swine flu; the topic is the swine flu overhyped or downplayed. I am just curious to hear from others. If you want that call in number and web site pleae u2u me. I am one of these people who is just sick of the governments and news lies/confusion.

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:26 PM
reply to post by ecoparity

I think Alex's view is that this is a test run and he has said be prepared for the real deal in a couple months......I believe he still stands on that position........It seems he does not have the contacts of anyone in the know of what is really going on with the virus.........Even people with contacts don't know what really is going on..........Although Alex can be very radical, I think he is striking a nerve with who ever is behind the agenda......

It does seem there is a silencing of the lamb before the wolf jumps out.......

Personally I am monitoring the military, waiting for domestic movement........that is going to be the sign.........

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:35 PM
Third H1N1 Case Confirmed in Brazos County

Neb.'s Dakota County reports 1st swine flu case

Swine Flu Hits Lakehurst

Willcox area has first case of Swine flu

Lackawanna County registers first swine flu case

# Opava: One Suspected Cases Of Influenza A (H1N1) Admitted To Local Hospital: Date: May 20, 2009 18:40 UTC Risk: Medium Ceske Noviny, ..less than 20 seconds ago from twitterfeed

# Kobe: Influenza A (H1N1) Spread Through 17-Year-Old Student Confirmed to be First Community Transmission Case: Date: May 20, 2009 18:..half a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Prague: Four Suspected Cases Of Influenza A (H1N1) Admitted to Motol Hospital: Date: May 20, 2009 18:08 UTC Risk: Medium Ceske Noviny..half a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Omdurman: Female Suspected with Influenza A (H1N1) Tests Negative for the Virus : Date: May 20, 2009 18:04 UTC Risk: Medium Al Watan,..half a minute ago from twitterfeed

# Eskisehir: One Case Undergoing Testing for Suspected Influenza A (H1N1) Infection: Date: May 20, 2009 17:26 UTC Risk: Medium Turkish ..half a minute ago from twitterfeed

[edit on 5/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on May, 20 2009 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

Can you give us the info on the first death in Utah?

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