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Originally posted by Amagnon
reply to post by Jadette
So - lets get this straight .. you want to live in a totally communist state - like China or North Korea - or more probably like Stalins Russia?
Do you know how many people died in Stalins Russia? He killed tens of millions - maybe a hundred million or more - and you want to let America become exactly that?
If you don't fight this - then nothing can make you fight.
If you think the government is a waste and you're super right-wing or mad at Obama anyway or perhaps really just lazy or selfish, then yeah you will be upset and there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind. I know this is a good thing.
Besides, the act is just going to get Congress to work on it. Specifications still need to be voted on, and I think you're all getting scared for nothing. Or maybe, again, just selfish.
It's not about being "instructed." And if you think it is, go live in another country and tell me that it's better. And again most schools require students to volunteer anyway.
If you think I'm young and stupid and brainwashed then whatever but I know I've raised the grades of the girls that I tutor by two letters, and I know that the hiking trails around here are a little cleaner.
I know that for awhile the histology lab at the hospital had some extra help because of me, and I know that the website I created to help students from my town with homework questions will be put to good use. There are volunteer positions that I've applied for that have been overapplied for and I'm MAD that I can't volunteer at some of them.
You complain about capitalism and materialism and then turn around and post things in this thread that are examples of how bad society is.
The question is, what happens if your kids don't realize that they need to help one another?
IT'S NOT COMMUNISM
Go live somewhere else. Honestly. Be drafted. Then come back here crying about how unfair THAT was.
This is what we need. And it's people like you that are making things worse. It's not going to get better because clearly the helpful people who realize how bad things are, how many jobs need to be done for different places that just don't have the money to pay but make such a big difference, the things that need to be done to keep our environment healthy, are in the minority.
I'm so sick of listening to this garbage. Honestly. I don't know if you all think I've been brainwashed or what but I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.
But whatever, don't read my response, keep commenting the same selfish ignorance.
It's perfectly fine when you guys are all elderly or have cancer from the problems with the environment (NOT from doctors or vaccines or chemtrails) or whatever and my generation is left with this disgusting mess.
No fossil fuels, no forests, no resources. Just warfare for survival. It's totally fine. We won't have any other option because today right now nobody wants to donate a few hours of their time to try and prevent a catastrophe of selfish, materialistic thinking.
We voted in representatives to vote on these things for us. The US is a republic.
Honestly, I'm tired of this whole "government for the people and by the people" talk. I don't want the general population in charge because the US is full of morons.
I say we destroy the constitution and start over. This whole system is completely outdated.
And another thing....
Why is it that all I see on this site now are people worshipping fox news and Glenn Beck? Before the election, we were all praising Keith Olberman and MSNBC. What gives people??
No fossil fuels, no forests, no resources. Just warfare for survival. It's totally fine. We won't have any other option because today right now nobody wants to donate a few hours of their time to try and prevent a catastrophe of selfish, materialistic thinking.
If that's Communism, whatever. I'm a Communist. Throw rocks at my face and beat me to the ground and call me in 50 years when things are even worse.
[edit on 4/21/2009 by ravenshadow13]
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by itinerantseeker
Isn't it funny that I have studied the Constitution and the amendments, American Government, and US and World History.
I kind of think that it's more important that people aren't starving or having trouble with their businesses or that the environment is clean and that it is safe to live here.
But you're right that's just so selfish and ignorant of me. Of course, I'm 18, what do I know about the place I want to live in when I have a family? Absolutely nothing. I might as well go live under a rock.
Originally posted by DJM8507
I don't understand why community service is so bad.
Its okay to sit on your a** and play World of Warcraft, PS3 and XBOX360 all day and surf AboveTopSecret, but heaven forbid someone ask you to pitch in and help better our communities! Anything that impedes on your right to be lazy or exploit another person for profit has to be evil!
I never saw it before, but now I see what foreigners mean when they say that many Americans are like spoiled selfish children.
Originally posted by DJM8507
I don't understand why community service is so bad.
Its okay to sit on your a** and play World of Warcraft, PS3 and XBOX360 all day and surf AboveTopSecret, but heaven forbid someone ask you to pitch in and help better our communities! Anything that impedes on your right to be lazy or exploit another person for profit has to be evil!
I never saw it before, but now I see what foreigners mean when they say that many Americans are like spoiled selfish children.
Originally posted by DJM8507
I don't understand why community service is so bad.
Its okay to sit on your a** and play World of Warcraft, PS3 and XBOX360 all day and surf AboveTopSecret, but heaven forbid someone ask you to pitch in and help better our communities! Anything that impedes on your right to be lazy or exploit another person for profit has to be evil!
I never saw it before, but now I see what foreigners mean when they say that many Americans are like spoiled selfish children.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
You're going to have a choice for what volunteer work you want to do. And it's still better than a draft. Americans don't have choices for lots of other things, and this isn't even a big deal.
Almost all high schools DO have a graduation requirement of volunteer hours and most colleges do as well, volunteering or interning.
Honestly, whatever. There is a choice. Do what's right, or get in trouble. That's how it should be. If there's no incentive, no one would want to help, especially adults who are busy with their jobs and families.
Eating meat is personal.
It helps the animals, hurts the meat companies, and helps you. Volunteering directly helps other Americans, and in a time of need, that's important.
Religion is also personal.
And dating is personal, even though I do date. I also have a social life. And both my boyfriend and my friends volunteer.
I didn't think so many people had an issue with it. It's not like deciding whether or not to shave your legs. It's deciding whether or not to make a difference.
Being vegetarian makes a difference, but not as much as being vegan as well and not wearing leather or fur. But feeding people who are having trouble paying bills is a big difference that more people should care about. And it should be necessary to do things like that.
If people don't want themselves or their family near this, when bills get passed (which they won't, because of people in congress who will no doubt take your stance) then they can leave or stay. That's a choice. How ironic.
Originally posted by DJM8507
I never saw it before, but now I see what foreigners mean when they say that many Americans are like spoiled selfish children.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by Harassment101
Eating meat is personal. It helps the animals, hurts the meat companies, and helps you. Volunteering directly helps other Americans, and in a time of need, that's important.
Religion is also personal.
And dating is personal, even though I do date. I also have a social life. And both my boyfriend and my friends volunteer. I didn't think so many people had an issue with it. It's not like deciding whether or not to shave your legs. It's deciding whether or not to make a difference. Being vegetarian makes a difference, but not as much as being vegan as well and not wearing leather or fur. But feeding people who are having trouble paying bills is a big difference that more people should care about. And it should be necessary to do things like that.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I'm frustrated with some responses so I will continue with the bullet technique.
1. If you think other people should volunteer but you don't want to yourself, ask yourself why.
2. It's better to have mandatory volunteering requirements than mandatory military service. And no, I don't things are moving in that direction.
3. Why wouldn't you feel better helping your country directly through volunteering, than through indirect means like taxes? I would think people would be complaining more about that. It's the same thing, only better.
4. I do believe that everyone volunteers somehow. And if you don't, then you should. I've said it before. You do lots of things that you don't want to do already because the government says so. This one is actually HELPFUL.
5. Some of you have said you want a better place, without this new thing, for your grandkids and kids. I'm pretty sure that you should be encouraging your family to volunteer and to help out. I don't know why you wouldn't do that. This is only an issue about being "forced to" for people who for some reason don't do it already. For the people who are doing what they morally should by helping out, it's not even a problem. Especially since many countries have mandatory draft. Would you rather have THAT for your kids and grandkids?
6. It's not hard to volunteer. It doesn't cost money. If you wanted you could just start a website or work for a website or edit for free or tutor online or something like that, you could do it from the same chair or couch that you access ATS from, it wouldn't take a ton of time, and you would be helping. Plus, if you're religious, most churches fund volunteer activities and relief programs ANYWAY. If you hike or metal detect and follow rules of cleaning up litter that you find, that helps. Or just tutor a kid. Or make sandwiches for a soup kitchen. I mean, I guess I won't understand what the huge issue is.
Yes the government is making you do it, and if you don't want to, you're mad. But the government makes you do lots of things you don't want to do, you're kind of just complaining anyway. This is going to be really helpful and it's something that we should all do for each other anyway if you follow the TRUE American spirit and work to improve our country and our lives. If you think the government is a waste and you're super right-wing or mad at Obama anyway or perhaps really just lazy or selfish, then yeah you will be upset and there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind. I know this is a good thing.
Besides, the act is just going to get Congress to work on it. Specifications still need to be voted on, and I think you're all getting scared for nothing. Or maybe, again, just selfish.
It's not about being "instructed." And if you think it is, go live in another country and tell me that it's better. And again most schools require students to volunteer anyway.
If you think I'm young and stupid and brainwashed then whatever but I know I've raised the grades of the girls that I tutor by two letters, and I know that the hiking trails around here are a little cleaner. I know that for awhile the histology lab at the hospital had some extra help because of me, and I know that the website I created to help students from my town with homework questions will be put to good use. There are volunteer positions that I've applied for that have been overapplied for and I'm MAD that I can't volunteer at some of them.
You complain about capitalism and materialism and then turn around and post things in this thread that are examples of how bad society is.
The question is, what happens if your kids don't realize that they need to help one another?
IT'S NOT COMMUNISM
Go live somewhere else. Honestly. Be drafted. Then come back here crying about how unfair THAT was.
I'm so sick of listening to this garbage. Honestly. I don't know if you all think I've been brainwashed or what but I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.
[edit on 4/21/2009 by ravenshadow13]