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What this means is they can't govern.
And it breath's down the neck of Hucksterism.
(which replaced my Hitlerism PC error)

If everyone did their job they would not need freebies to make
things right.

By the way if you're watching Obama right now (which I'm sure you're not) he is making it sound like they are expanding the Peace Corps because it was overfilled last year.

This is awesome because I've always wanted to join and sometimes they'll even help you pay off education loans. I LOVE THE PEACE CORPS. I know a ton of people who've done it.


Like whatever, if you hate it, I still love it. I'll go. Heck, if I could take your spot too I totally would.

This includes so many different options and it's awesome. Plus it's not like you have to do it forever, probably only a year or so per person. It would make the world so much better!

AND MORE PELL GRANTS!!! YES!!! Maybe I can actually pay for collegeeeeee!!!

I'll be excited for you. Don't worry.

[edit on 4/21/2009 by ravenshadow13]

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Would everybody volunteering help out yes. But you should not have to be forced to volunteer. That is the problem that we have. I salute everyone who volunteers that's great. But I do not want the government telling me what I have to do or else anymore than they already do.

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Reading, Writing, Math, Science, History are one thing but this gigantic bureaucratic Social Experiment is another. This is where I draw the line. This is where indoctrination takes over. The so called "lessons" that will be taught by instructors working for the "corporation" trouble me. These lessons are not clear cut black and white lessons from a Chemistry text. I have yet to see a curriculum sample. These lesson will be subject to the instructors/admins opinions and leanings.

Organizations like ACORN will qualify for funding from this program. An amendment preventing organizations such as ACORN from receiving funds from this bill was killed in the Senate session on this bill. I guarantee that ACORN will end up staffing half of the positions detailed in this bill. ACORN is another issue in itself.

Senate kills Vitter’s ACORN amendment

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Volunteers are very valuable.....but the key is VOLUNTEER. I worry about the students who are going to be forced to do MORE. I read that someone worked 100 hours of volunteer. This type of work, plus good grades, and extracurricular activities is what colleges are looking for. But, if every child has to put in these hours, then will that 100 be enough? How about 200 to distinguish oneself?

Often, I feel like SOME these kids are just putting in the hours to create a good application. Also, just how many ways can we put pressure on our youth? More work, more work...and what about those who need to go to school and keep a job?

Are we going to alienated those underprivileged children? Should we make Poor Timmy clean up his neighborhood with his classmates while Rich Tommy mocks that he's from the good part of town so no one needs to clean his neighborhood.

There is nothing more demeaning than to be poor and have to participate in an activity for those poor, less fortunate people. Once, a few years ago, my church was having a food drive. I thought this was a lovely idea. Times were really rough for me, and I was on a very fixed budget, but because of peer pressure, I bought some food to help out. Guess what! The food drive was for MY NEIGHBORHOOD. Did I get my free handout? No! I was too embarrassed to open the door.

So, volunteers are wonderful. We need more people like this in the word. But, to assume everyone can or should participate is insulting.

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Good for you, but it's YOUR choice to do these things. Who are you do judge anyone? You call people selfish for not helping but I'm getting a lot of smugness in your post. Why do you need to bring attention to the fact that you help people? You want a pat on the back or something? Would that feed your ego? Lot's of people do some form of charity or give money to the need and just don't want to talk about it. It's no one's business. It's not yours, it's not the governments, and it's not anyone's right to tell people they have to "volunteer". People choosing to not volunteer does not make them bad or selfish people at all, and even if they are, so what, they aren't hurting anyone. They obviously aren't helping anyone, but again, their choice. So for those of you with this same view, get off your high horse and never mind what other people are doing with THEIR lives.

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If it were not of the Peace Core we would not have known
about the missiles in Cuba.

As it was the information came out of the CIA quite tardy to Kennedy.
Which is some inertia of duty in the department perhaps.

People volunteer all the time.
What are the politicians standing up in front of the people
and saying as much as rallying school children.

Involving school children in volunteer work by school officials
has been going on for years and now the politicians are
involved.

Hopefully now we are all aware of the pressure state being
held over the children.

To me, this is another step to conform our nation not at the college level but in grade school. The Bill is called the The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.

Why do we need to reform these laws? Why spend more money on something else that will not help our country NOW, when it is needed.WHY is this needed?

I personally do not want my children to HAVE to volunteer. I am sorry but this just another step towards socialism/communism and mandatory service making everyone the same....

We need money for education instead of making our children work for our government for NOTHING....

What about charities who NEED volunteers??? Schools....etc....We are in a place now where there are NO choices with this bill.....

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Going by your posts, your obviously a kid still in school. You're pretty naive. That's ok, when I was younger, I had a very optimistic views in the world. Used to trash my mom when she couldn't get her bills together, told her it was easy. But then I grew up and found out about the adult world. You think adults should have to volunteer do you? You talk of going to college, trust me, the college work load isn't as easy as high schools. The longer you are in college, the harder it is to balance out your life. You won't have time for much of anything, much less have to deal with mandatory volunteering. Or when your out of school you are working dead end jobs that are just enough to feed you and pay bills. Also, if you got kids in the mix, you'll even be busier. Same thing if you have a career that you worked so hard to get into if you finish college, you still won't have the extra energy to do the MANDATORY volunteer service. If everything isn't mandarory and it's your own time, you'll enjoy the volunteer work, but when it becomes law, you won't like it as much. Trust me.

Guess the obama brown shirts are headed our way with conscription papers...

*TheAssociate loads his shotgun and prepares to tell them where to stick said papers*


TheAssociate

The seniors at my daughters school have to complete so many hours of community service and another huge project to graduate.This is NC.

The biggest problem with the federal government mandating "benevolent service" (other than the fact it's creepy and outrageously hypocritical) is that such programs tend to weaken similar efforts already undertaken by other charitable groups. This has been the bugaboo with all such welfare state programs for many years.

The second problem is that the government has never, and will never, provide a service more efficiently or cost-effectively than actual volunteers, as opposed to the 'compensated volunteers' of the Give Act. Government intervention, no matter how well-intentioned, invariably leads to undesireable long-term consequences. Although I imagine this new law wouldn't have had such rousing support if it were more accurately called the "Kill off True Volunteerism with Government Meddling Act".

I suspect this legislation has less to do with helping one another and much more to do with setting the groundwork for the massive "civilian police force, as well-trained and equipped as the regular military" that Obama salivated over during his campaign.

Volunteer work stops becoming voluntary when you are mandated to do it by the government.

You still have a choice, and a voice. Don't give up yet. Fight this down to the dying minute.

I am honestly surprised by the thick headedness of the members here supporting this garbage.

Here's a hint. We DON'T CARE that you volunteer or how many hours you volunteer, stop trying to pin it like it's a g-damn medal! It's not! You're NOT special, Nor better than the rest of the people here, though you sure as heck try to come off as such! We don't give *SNIP* about your volunteer experience! If you like doing that sort of thing, fine! That is NOT the problem we have here! Do you want me to repeat it again? Or will somebody have to beat it into your thick skulls with a hammer? My god are you Obamatrons so damn stupid you can't see the real problem?

The problem is not that people are volunteering. It's that they are in fact FORCING people to volunteer! Which in essence is an oxymoron! People shouldn't be "forced" to volunteer, it should be an ethical and moral choice instilled by family members and family values duh! When the government starts deciding that people should give up THEIR time to work for the state with no pay, it IS in fact called slavery, read the constitution for god's sake!

I am honestly sick and tired of you liberal hippies trying to force your pathetic ideas down everyone's throat and trying to force everyone to behave how YOU want them to. You *SNIP* have NO respect whatsoever for individual liberties or rights, only when it's convenient for you. God you people are such selfcentered pr*cks! Honestly why don't you just go live in communist Cuba or China if you don't like the ideas of individual liberties! We REAL americans don't need your filth here!

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Originally posted by Jadette
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I disagree. In fact, I find it hard to understand how teaching children to be involved with their community by actually having them work within the community, can be labeled slavery.

Jadette...baby..huney...
the difference between what you did voluntarily and what you will be forced to do is what defines slavery.

Originally posted by fromtheheart66
The seniors at my daughters school have to complete so many hours of community service and another huge project to graduate.This is NC.

yeah...this is also slavery...not right. how can they call it "community service" when it is being paid by a diploma?

how did they sneak that one past the parents?

Originally posted by ravenshadow13

AND MORE PELL GRANTS!!! YES!!! Maybe I can actually pay for collegeeeeee!!!

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lovely...another welfare queen in the making.

Originally posted by yadda333

We voted in representatives to vote on these things for us. The US is a republic.

Honestly, I'm tired of this whole "government for the people and by the people" talk. I don't want the general population in charge because the US is full of morons.

I say we destroy the constitution and start over. This whole system is completely outdated.

The system is outdated to some degree. But I don't want the "new system"
to grant government permission to tell me or my children that we MUST volunteer.
Or what????
Again what happens when we don't follow what "they" ask?
Are we law breakers?

I personally already do plenty of volunteering..
and I was just brought up to help others out...-
as do many of the people I know.
We know how to help each other - and we do.

I am against a LAW that says this has to happen and how.
This is not ok.

I was born a free human - capable of critical thinking -
and I think our responsibility to ourselves and the
next generation is to insure it stays that way to the best of our
ability.

If they want to give options to people -
get people from each state to help motivate others...
put programs together to build shelters for the homeless and teach everyone how
to garden fresh organic non GMO food - so we can live the healthy lives we were born to live - then good.
Do these things for "the people"..

Children do not belong to a country - to be molded as a political party sees fit.
There should not be ownership in any way - shape or form.
Motivate them to do the right thing - Yes.
Own them - No.






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Originally posted by Terces Pot Evoba

Originally posted by fromtheheart66
The seniors at my daughters school have to complete so many hours of community service and another huge project to graduate.This is NC.

yeah...this is also slavery...not right. how can they call it "community service" when it is being paid by a diploma?

how did they sneak that one past the parents?

Very, VERY true... when I was in highschool, community service was OPTIONAL too. My wife did it so she could get a scholarship, but I myself didn't want to at the time. I did do volunteer service to a local govt. TV channel after college though (so I got nothing material out of it, not even a scholarship, but I got valuable experience) but the thing was that I MADE the decision MYSELF to volunteer and help out, NOT the govt. not Obama, not nobody.

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Well while it sounds nice and for the well being of the nation that is exactly what the Hitler youth programs also seemed to be when he had the "same idea".

At least taking into consideration how our nation has been build on the will of the people for the people and by the people, this program will end up just like other many tax payer money waste programs, with somebody getting the money and the program failing to deliver.

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