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Originally posted by StellarX
I reckon if Bush tried to do this almost ALL the people now screaming bloody murder would have jeering those who 'refused' to patriotically 'volunteer' ( or just get 'drafted' , 'stop loss' in army formations) their services in the interest of the 'security' of the US. The fact that Obama is framing this not-so-voluntary-voluntary work in terms of service delivery is definitely the biggest mistake when dealing with the rapid selfish mob paranoid mob that is the " US uber Alles" crowd on ATS who could only accept being drafted as long as they are supposedly fighting 'terrorism'.
What a sad joke.
Originally posted by jibeho
You have continually sidestepped the issue at hand in practically every post.
You are attacking individual posts and not the issue.
Lets get to the point and get you off of your high horse for just a minute.
Do you have kids? Are you a parent to those kids?
If so, do you want them to be placed into these programs?
Do you want the government indoctrinating your children in the fine art of "volunteering"?
Do you prefer to teach your own children about civic duty and morality?
Do you want your Middle School aged kids to be mentored by some immature and probably delinquent High School kids?
Have you read this LAW? If so, do you agree with it?
H. R. 1444
To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes.
Originally posted by regeya
Perhaps someone could point me toward the mandatory service? I've also looked online, and aside from WND asserting that it does, and a few people arguing "no it doesn't but yes there's going to be a requirement to study it" I don't see it.
(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.
(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
Americorps NCCC (National Civilian Community Corps) FAQ
AmeriCorps NCCC members receive a living allowance of approximately $4,000 for the 10 months of service (about $200 every two weeks before taxes), housing, meals, limited medical benefits, up to $400 a month for childcare, if necessary, member uniforms, and an education award of $4,725 upon successful completion of the program.
Who's talking about teaching anything? As far was i know voluteering is not done on a class.
1. Section 111 – “School-based service learning programs promote service-learning as a strategy to… engage students in meeting community needs with demonstrable results, while enhancing students' academic and civic learning; and…
`(B) developing service-learning curricula, consistent with State or local academic content standards, to be integrated into academic programs, including an age-appropriate learning component that provides participants an opportunity to analyze and apply their service experiences…
(2) implementing, operating, or expanding school-based service-learning programs, which may include paying for the cost of the recruitment, training, supervision, placement, salaries, and benefits of service-learning coordinators, through distribution of Federal funds by State educational agencies, Territories, and Indian tribes made available under this part to projects operated by local partnerships among--
`(A) local educational agencies; and
`(B) 1 or more community partners that…
`(ii) may include a private for-profit business, private
elementary or secondary school, or Indian tribe (except that
an Indian tribe distributing funds to a project under this
paragraph is not eligible to be part of the partnership
operating that project);
`TITLE VI--MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
`Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal. `
Sec. 602. Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to democracy.'.
Originally posted by rockhndr
The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to make recommendations to Congress for: (1) improving the ability of individuals to serve others; (2) training leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources; (3) identifying solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals to volunteer or perform national service; and (4) building on the foundation of current service and volunteer opportunities. Specifies topics to be addressed by the Commission, including deterrents to service, a mandatory service requirement, and the need for a public service academy.
Hmmm.....from this summary here-the ORIGINAL quote from the op's opening this thread...I see NOTHING that says mandatory service WILL or HAS BEEN ENACTED..what I DO SEE is they are studying this...KEYWORD...STUDYING....why not give them the 120 days to do the study and report their findings before scaremongering and telling people they ARE doing it or WILL BE doing it....and YES!!! I HAVE READ THE PROPOSED BILL...another keyword...PROPOSED...always looking for evil in everything "they" do ? (shakes her head and walks away)
Nope...one more thing...maybe if the people who actually sit online everyday and LOOK for all this evil got out and VOLUNTEERED, maybe, just maybe, "they" wouldn't be looking into this...lol.....
there's a concept for ya'...........
1. Section 111 –
“School-based service learning programs promote service-learning as a strategy to… engage students in meeting community needs with demonstrable results, while enhancing students' academic and civic learning; and… `
(B) developing service-learning curricula, consistent with State or local academic content standards, to be integrated into academic programs, including an age-appropriate learning component that provides participants an opportunity to analyze and apply their service experiences…
(2) implementing, operating, or expanding school-based service-learning programs, which may include paying for the cost of the recruitment, training, supervision, placement, salaries, and benefits of service-learning coordinators, through distribution of Federal funds by State educational agencies, Territories, and Indian tribes made available under this part to projects operated by local partnerships among-- `
(A) local educational agencies; and
`(B) 1 or more community partners that `(ii) may include a private for-profit business, private elementary or secondary school, or Indian tribe (except that an Indian tribe distributing funds to a project under this paragraph is not eligible to be part of the partnership operating that project);
Originally posted by rockhndr
I hate to be the one to "enlighten" you, but this is ALREADY in place...How many here actually PAY ATTENTION to your high school students curriculum? In my area and school system it is a requirement to complete 6 hours of volunteer service EVERY YEAR (9th-12th grades) in order to meet graduation requirements.
Once again. This is not an anti volunteer thread. This is about the government stepping in to force the values of some committee onto the youth of our country. If you have children you should be concerned. Values are taught in the home. This law is really just the foundation of a giant social experiment that will use our children as test subjects.
I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am President of the United States.
This will not be a call issued in one speech or one program - this will be a central cause of my presidency. We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges.
That’s why I will call on a new generation of Americans to join our military, and complete the effort to increase our ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines.
Today, AmeriCorps - our nation’s network of local, state and national service programs - has 75,000 slots. They tap America’s greatest resource - our citizens.
As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots,
People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.
We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
And we’ll use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.
So when I’m President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you’ll have done 17 weeks of service.
At the middle and high school level, we’ll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we’ll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.
For college students, I have proposed an annual American Opportunity Tax Credit of $4,000. To receive this credit, we’ll require 100 hours of public service. You invest in America, and America invests in you -
To marshal their talents in building a new energy economy, I will launch an initiative to give our veterans the training they need to succeed in the Green Jobs of the future. It’s time to end our energy dependence at home so our national security isn’t held hostage to oil and gas from abroad.
And we will not leave out the nearly 2 million young Americans who are out of school and out of work. We’ll enlist them in our Energy Corps,
Originally posted by ProfEmeritusAmericans are having their freedoms stolen from them day by day, and this will continue unless they act to stop it.