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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by StellarX
I reckon if Bush tried to do this almost ALL the people now screaming bloody murder would have jeering those who 'refused' to patriotically 'volunteer' ( or just get 'drafted' , 'stop loss' in army formations) their services in the interest of the 'security' of the US. The fact that Obama is framing this not-so-voluntary-voluntary work in terms of service delivery is definitely the biggest mistake when dealing with the rapid selfish mob paranoid mob that is the " US uber Alles" crowd on ATS who could only accept being drafted as long as they are supposedly fighting 'terrorism'.

What a sad joke.


Indeed. While I won't say that either situation is good, it strikes me as sad that I know people who supported the anti-terror and rebuilding efforts in their entirety, but are now protesting irresponsibility. Remember, kids, your tax dollars paying for the Army Corps building bridges in Afghanistan is just part of the price of promoting democracy, but your tax dollars building bridges in America is socialism!

And there's absolutely no astroturfing going on, and none of these Tea Party events are desperate attempts by the GOP to do an abrupt about-face because popular opinion has shifted...did anyone notice how quick FOX News switched their conservative view from social conservatism to fiscal conservatism, when it looked like the new President wasn't that different from the previous guy? I mean, AFAIK they've not canned the ladyboy Ann Coulter yet, but it's interesting that there seems to be a bit of a feud between Beck and O'Reilly (and oh, how it must pain O'Reilly to side with the President on occasion...)




posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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What happens if people refuse? are they going to arrest kids? parents? teachers?



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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I read a very interesting article today check it out...
www.newsweek.com...
How did we ever let it get this far? By "rewarding" our children? With what? allowances? laptops? cell phones? the newest pc game? What is it that we truly want from our children? so far the result has been a completely lazy, narcissistic generation...me, me, me, seems to be the "new" motto in society... to quote some posts here..."I will decide what my children will do or NOT do..." I feel sad for the next generation...we walk by people on the street who are in need of help, we ignore the poor, and treat it as if it's not our problem, when in actuality it is OUR problem. We complain when we don't get enough intervention, and then complain when we get too much intervention...We are a great nation that people use to WANT to be a part of, and now, well, I just don't know...I can't answer for anyone else, but what I do know is this...I have 3 great kids, who I WANT them to grow up and be a PRODUCTIVE part of society...It does take a village to raise a child it's called open-mindedness, and DIVERSITY (not just of race, but of beliefs-my children have the right to choose as much as I do, so why not let them learn new things and come into their own person?)...I believe one of the biggest mistakes we make as parents is to truly believe that WE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT...we are not here to "control" our kids, but to guide them and hope they make mistakes they will learn from...as for volunteering and freedoms...I laugh at all of you...to those here who agree with the volunteer thing...GOOD FOR YOU!!! Ravenshadow, I've seen you here for a long time don't let these "grown-ups" throw you off (immaturity is immaturity at ANY age) You are a person with a heart full of good-use it well, and those who are against this volunteer thing??--GROW UP!!! You are probably the ones who sit home at night eating a bag of chips and adding to the burden and griping about "freedoms"...and NOT making your kids get off their butts and help their communities-it would be because of you that the "PTB" decided to do your job for you and help your kids become productive members of society...GO AHEAD FLAME AWAY...could care less, this thread is ridiculous in the fact that we don't even know what is going to be expected...most are just scared that anyone would have the gall to expect anything from them...lol...as Paul Harvey use to say...G'day!!! OH!! one more thing...if this post bothers you or makes you angry...maybe you oughtta look at why and look in the mirror!!!



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by jibeho
You have continually sidestepped the issue at hand in practically every post.


I don't see how i have but perhaps it's because i don't think that Obama is the antichrist ( any more than Bush or Clinton) or this policy a develish ploy to 'take over' America from it's current corporate owners?


You are attacking individual posts and not the issue.


So perhaps i should, like you, just say what i like independent of what other posters may be saying or thinking? Perhaps i am not participating on ATS to make each thread a soapbox but to attempt to correct what i believe to be obviously inaccurate or incorrect opinions, 'facts' and points of view? What would be served by yet another poster who merely endlessly repeats his ideas without interacting as i attempt to do?


Lets get to the point and get you off of your high horse for just a minute.


Took me some time to find the horse, even more to saddle and then some to get on and ride it. Since it's still taking me where i planned on going you will either have to get out of the way or find it really nice sweets to slow it down with.


Do you have kids? Are you a parent to those kids?
If so, do you want them to be placed into these programs?


No i don't have kids but i most certainly did not go to school 'voluntary' in the first place. So sure i would and i would be very surprised if the same parents who pack their children off to schools, which teaches them far more dangerous ideas than 'community service' ( Isn't that what the church teaches?), would be outraged by mandatory community service along with all the military style PTA, sports indoctrinated 'team spirit', and all the rest of the ground work that conscriptors so love to see in our Children.


Do you want the government indoctrinating your children in the fine art of "volunteering"?


Well people naturally cooperate for mutually benefit in good times and mutual survival in hard times. To suggest that this needs to be 'indoctrinated' exposes the fact that the twisted inhuman corporate capitalist concept of 'individuality' has been so widely propagated and propagandized that some people in fact think it's somehow 'unnatural' to be naturally cooperative and interested in the active betterment of your community.


Do you prefer to teach your own children about civic duty and morality?


Sure i do but i were as serious as i could be, or you sound, i would not send them to public school at all. Perhaps i should just be wishing you good luck with your attempt to draw a line in the quicksand?


Do you want your Middle School aged kids to be mentored by some immature and probably delinquent High School kids?


Not more so than i want them to be educated by some of the very badly educated and dispassionate teachers that often provide those 'services' to us. In fact if you trusted teachers with the rest of the curriculum ( which can be presented in many ways) why lose faith in their ability to properly administrate this system? I just have a hard time understanding why this criticism is leveled at this additional program instead of the whole formal schooling concept.


Have you read this LAW? If so, do you agree with it?


What Law? Do you mean 'have i read the proposals that this commitee will discuss if the senate should choose to form this commitee? How can i be against the following:


111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1444
To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes.

www.govtrack.us...


Why would ANYONE be against that? Do you understand that NOTHING is being written into law or enacted here yet?

While Rome burns THIS is what your concerned about? I would say god save you all but i don't believe in any of them so yes, 'i hope this turns out well for American citizens',will have to do.

Stellar



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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A couple things about all of your posts in general.

I for one, and I am assuming most of the people on here disagreeing with this bill are with you on hating the corporations that are running this government, and do think they need to be called out whenever possible (like when our government spends 4 trillion on them).

The thing I don't understand about your post though is that you keep saying that this is different than what happened in Germany because Hitler stole the election and Obama didn't. Well in light of your posting about lobbyist controlling the government, whats the difference? Do you really believe that Obama or McCain for the matter (the only to choices that we were given) aren't working for these lobbyists, and hence there was no need to "steal" the election?

Now I know your thinking, "there were other choices", but were there really? Studies have shown time and time again that without huge sums of money and media exposure, it is nearly impossible to win, because the general public knows nothing about you. And the media companies are controlled by... thats right! The very same corporations that you are claiming control government! So in effect, the election was stolen in that all of our choices were controlled.

I was thinking of how you could have these two conflicting beliefs (Double speak at its finest), and then it hit me. Your one of these people who see everything through a partisan lense. Its evident by posting comments like "I bet if Bush did this people would have been happy". Newsflash, no we wouldn't have. Not only was Bush hated by me personally, and probably by many of the other people you are criticizing, he had the lowest approval rating for a President in recent memory.

The argument is that government should not be forcing values on to our children, or taking steps to forcing volunteer work. And yes, there is indoctrination in schools already, and that is bad and should be fought. But why are you so upset that people are willing to fight against this bill which is a blatant example of it?

You are correct in your assessment that corporations control our politics. Don't think for one moment that Obama is somehow above that. So in the end this is just more corporate indoctrination of our children, and you should be against that.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by regeya
Perhaps someone could point me toward the mandatory service? I've also looked online, and aside from WND asserting that it does, and a few people arguing "no it doesn't but yes there's going to be a requirement to study it" I don't see it.


From the bill linked in the OP:


(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.


It says it right there. Required. Mandatory. Expected to perform. And if you go to the websites I linked on the front page and then go to the different programs, it's mostly Americorps.




Americorps NCCC (National Civilian Community Corps) FAQ

AmeriCorps NCCC members receive a living allowance of approximately $4,000 for the 10 months of service (about $200 every two weeks before taxes), housing, meals, limited medical benefits, up to $400 a month for childcare, if necessary, member uniforms, and an education award of $4,725 upon successful completion of the program.


You live on campus for 10 months or more. So this is basically civilian boot camp.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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Who's talking about teaching anything? As far was i know voluteering is not done on a class.

Well, then you do not know a lot. Much of the "volunteer" service programs will be school-based:


1. Section 111 – “School-based service learning programs promote service-learning as a strategy to… engage students in meeting community needs with demonstrable results, while enhancing students' academic and civic learning; and…

`(B) developing service-learning curricula, consistent with State or local academic content standards, to be integrated into academic programs, including an age-appropriate learning component that provides participants an opportunity to analyze and apply their service experiences…

(2) implementing, operating, or expanding school-based service-learning programs, which may include paying for the cost of the recruitment, training, supervision, placement, salaries, and benefits of service-learning coordinators, through distribution of Federal funds by State educational agencies, Territories, and Indian tribes made available under this part to projects operated by local partnerships among--

`(A) local educational agencies; and

`(B) 1 or more community partners that…

`(ii) may include a private for-profit business, private

elementary or secondary school, or Indian tribe (except that

an Indian tribe distributing funds to a project under this

paragraph is not eligible to be part of the partnership
operating that project);


www.nheld.com...
Please refrain from making comments until you have read the entire bill. Many of the posters here that oppose it, HAVE read the bill, and that is why they DO oppose it. Don't make assumptions about what is in the bill. Read it in its entirety, then feel free to comment.

[edit on 22-4-2009 by ProfEmeritus]



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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The law I was referring to is contained in the title of the thread. Formally HR 1388 or the GIVE Act, that Obama just signed into Law. HR 1444 is still in committee.

The GIVE act does not technically make the act of service mandatory but it does serve to set up an undetermined curriculum within our schools. It serves to create an open door of possibilities that I don't care for. I have cited key elements of this law in this thread and in many others. Those who choose not to read the law are in for a rude awakening. Too many people don't even know that it exists.

On a side note, the following "Title VI Misc. Provisions" within this new law has made it through a total of 6 versions of this law with no explanation. Whatever it is it is now official. How it ties into this law is beyond me.


`TITLE VI--MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS

`Sec. 601. Amtrak waste disposal. `
Sec. 602. Exchange program with countries in transition from totalitarianism to democracy.'.


So what do they actually plan to exchange with these countries? Some fresh faced American youth for some of your downtrodden youth?

Amtrak waste disposal?? Any clues? I know Amtrak is subsidized by our govt. so I suppose that they could transport just about anything in those innocent looking "passenger" cars.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.

3/11/2009--Introduced.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to make recommendations to Congress for: (1) improving the ability of individuals to serve others; (2) training leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources; (3) identifying solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals to volunteer or perform national service; and (4) building on the foundation of current service and volunteer opportunities. Specifies topics to be addressed by the Commission, including deterrents to service, a mandatory service requirement, and the need for a public service academy.


Hmmm.....from this summary here-the ORIGINAL quote from the op's opening this thread...I see NOTHING that says mandatory service WILL or HAS BEEN ENACTED..what I DO SEE is they are studying this...KEYWORD...STUDYING....why not give them the 120 days to do the study and report their findings before scaremongering and telling people they ARE doing it or WILL BE doing it....and YES!!! I HAVE READ THE PROPOSED BILL...another keyword...PROPOSED...always looking for evil in everything "they" do ? (shakes her head and walks away)

Nope...one more thing...maybe if the people who actually sit online everyday and LOOK for all this evil got out and VOLUNTEERED, maybe, just maybe, "they" wouldn't be looking into this...lol.....

there's a concept for ya'...........


edit to add this is in reference to HR1444

[edit on 22-4-2009 by rockhndr]



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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Then you dont understand what i mean.. What i mean is that the ACT of volunteer is NOT being teached.. Its nothing teachable.. But OF COURSE students participating on that programme need to learn what they will do..

You will not put someone voluteering whitout any kind of training about they will do will ya?

Or you will say to me that non-government volunteer organizations just say "Hey.. enter come help.. no matter what you do"?

As off-topic there is a funny phrase.. dont know the origins: "If you dont help, at least disturb.. the important is to participate
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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by rockhndr
The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.

3/11/2009--Introduced.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to make recommendations to Congress for: (1) improving the ability of individuals to serve others; (2) training leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources; (3) identifying solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals to volunteer or perform national service; and (4) building on the foundation of current service and volunteer opportunities. Specifies topics to be addressed by the Commission, including deterrents to service, a mandatory service requirement, and the need for a public service academy.


Hmmm.....from this summary here-the ORIGINAL quote from the op's opening this thread...I see NOTHING that says mandatory service WILL or HAS BEEN ENACTED..what I DO SEE is they are studying this...KEYWORD...STUDYING....why not give them the 120 days to do the study and report their findings before scaremongering and telling people they ARE doing it or WILL BE doing it....and YES!!! I HAVE READ THE PROPOSED BILL...another keyword...PROPOSED...always looking for evil in everything "they" do ? (shakes her head and walks away)

Nope...one more thing...maybe if the people who actually sit online everyday and LOOK for all this evil got out and VOLUNTEERED, maybe, just maybe, "they" wouldn't be looking into this...lol.....

there's a concept for ya'...........


Have you read H.R. 1388 in its entirety? You clearly have no concept as to what is contained within the law. Read about "youth engagement zones" "disadvantaged youth" "high school students mentoring middle school students" the "55 and older population". etc etc etc

HR 1444 is a separate bill. The verbiage contained in HR 1444 was originally written into the first version of HR 1388. It was removed from said bill and placed into its own. This is being positioned for the back door of congressional approval.

I could go on forever with this thing. Frankly, I am getting tired of responding to people who have not read it or who have not followed this thread and the previous threads that were started before this thing cruised through Congress.

Once again. This is not an anti volunteer thread. This is about the government stepping in to force the values of some committee onto the youth of our country. If you have children you should be concerned. Values are taught in the home. This law is really just the foundation of a giant social experiment that will use our children as test subjects.

[edit on 22-4-2009 by jibeho]



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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OpenCongress Summary:

The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act would dramatically increase funding for AmeriCorps and other volunteer programs, including those for seniors and veterans. It also establishes a goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summer service program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied to college costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.

In its current form, the legislation does not include a mandate requiring service.
www.opencongress.org...
see link above
Read the last line....In it's current form...yadayada...yes, I HAVE READ IT...It's what people here are READING INTO IT...that gets me...



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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YES...I have followed this and YES I have read it....the thread, HR1444 AND HR1388...where does it SAY MANDATORY in HR1388????????????????
and HR 1444 It says proposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what are the keywords that people are missing here?...and YES I DO VOLUNTEER...before anyone wants to ask THAT question...and YES, my teen does also....I just think people need to use their heads and stop telling the poor people who HAVE NOT read it that this is mandatory, etc, blah,blah

Wait for the report on HR1444 before jumping on it, and 1388 does not MANDATE anyone to anything....



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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This is about values and the fact that this will be a school based initiative. Private schools are even mentioned. This is classic indoctrination. The only thing mandated in HR 1388 is "service learning" in our schools.


1. Section 111 –
“School-based service learning programs promote service-learning as a strategy to… engage students in meeting community needs with demonstrable results, while enhancing students' academic and civic learning; and… `
(B) developing service-learning curricula, consistent with State or local academic content standards, to be integrated into academic programs, including an age-appropriate learning component that provides participants an opportunity to analyze and apply their service experiences…
(2) implementing, operating, or expanding school-based service-learning programs, which may include paying for the cost of the recruitment, training, supervision, placement, salaries, and benefits of service-learning coordinators, through distribution of Federal funds by State educational agencies, Territories, and Indian tribes made available under this part to projects operated by local partnerships among-- `
(A) local educational agencies; and
`(B) 1 or more community partners that `(ii) may include a private for-profit business, private elementary or secondary school, or Indian tribe (except that an Indian tribe distributing funds to a project under this paragraph is not eligible to be part of the partnership operating that project);




[edit on 22-4-2009 by jibeho]

[edit on 22-4-2009 by jibeho]

[edit on 22-4-2009 by jibeho]



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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I hate to be the one to "enlighten" you, but this is ALREADY in place...How many here actually PAY ATTENTION to your high school students curriculum? In my area and school system it is a requirement to complete 6 hours of volunteer service EVERY YEAR (9th-12th grades) in order to meet graduation requirements. Enough said, I'm done....I need to go do MY community service at the local community center...you know...the place parents drop there kids off to so they can have a little "me" time (me,me,me----why, oh, why do some parents have kids?)...or of course the place the child WANTS to come to, to get attention and self-worth because it just isn't happening at home....It truly takes a village...



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by rockhndr
I hate to be the one to "enlighten" you, but this is ALREADY in place...How many here actually PAY ATTENTION to your high school students curriculum? In my area and school system it is a requirement to complete 6 hours of volunteer service EVERY YEAR (9th-12th grades) in order to meet graduation requirements.


The key phrase there is your area. A lot of areas do not have that requirement, yet you act as though they all do.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Quote:

"On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital"

"Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty... But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social... The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour"
Unquote!
Karl Marx from 'The Communist Manefesto' !!!

Zindo



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Once again. This is not an anti volunteer thread. This is about the government stepping in to force the values of some committee onto the youth of our country. If you have children you should be concerned. Values are taught in the home. This law is really just the foundation of a giant social experiment that will use our children as test subjects.

Thank you for stating that. You have hit the nail on the head.

These bills HR 1388(actually now Law) and HR 1444 are moves closer to the day when the government controls your children, and you have no say in what they learn, what they do, and whether they can even get a college education. For those that don't think that can happen, history proves you wrong. This is EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany AND the USSR.
Those who were deemed not fit for college education were denied that privilege. It is ironic how many Germans in the 1930's kept saying that "this isn't really happening."

This REALLY IS happening, unless we stop it before it goes any further.
Think of all of the "promises" that Obama made about making sure bills were posted on public internet space for all to view, debate, and have input to, before they are voted on. Then look at how bill after bill is rammed through Congress, with no such "review time".

Americans are having their freedoms stolen from them day by day, and this will continue unless they act to stop it.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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gangstalking.wordpress.com...



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I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am President of the United States.

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This will not be a call issued in one speech or one program - this will be a central cause of my presidency. We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges.

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That’s why I will call on a new generation of Americans to join our military, and complete the effort to increase our ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines.

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Today, AmeriCorps - our nation’s network of local, state and national service programs - has 75,000 slots. They tap America’s greatest resource - our citizens.

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As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots,

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People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.

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We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.

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And we’ll use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

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So when I’m President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you’ll have done 17 weeks of service.

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At the middle and high school level, we’ll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we’ll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.

For college students, I have proposed an annual American Opportunity Tax Credit of $4,000. To receive this credit, we’ll require 100 hours of public service. You invest in America, and America invests in you -

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To marshal their talents in building a new energy economy, I will launch an initiative to give our veterans the training they need to succeed in the Green Jobs of the future. It’s time to end our energy dependence at home so our national security isn’t held hostage to oil and gas from abroad.

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And we will not leave out the nearly 2 million young Americans who are out of school and out of work. We’ll enlist them in our Energy Corps,



The end results always end up being the same. There is an ongoing agenda, and he laid out the foundations for this. The original language for much of this was mandatory. They changed the wording just after Obama got elected, but not the concept behind what was to come.

It's not parania when there really is an agenda, and those who will tell you differently do not have your best interest at heart. Look at where you were 5 years ago, and think about all the changes that have happened, then think about what will be five years from now.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritusAmericans are having their freedoms stolen from them day by day, and this will continue unless they act to stop it.



They won't act to stop it however. They don't see the bigger picture and the few who do wake up are not enough. It's like the frog in boiling water, some will never come to the realisation of what's happening.

They don't see how this is working, the control that is happening in society. We sit on these forums rambling about how we are not going to take it, that if forced to do these acts, they will rebel, but by the time you are forced to do these actions rebellion will be too late.

On these threads, there is always someone to feed you the Kool-aid or the Calm-Aid, the lies that will chill you out, that will put you back to sleep, that will keep you mellow thinking that there is nothing to worry about.

People do not understand how society is set up, or how it's really working. They don't or refuse to believe the truth till it's too late, and even then people will be in blissful ignorance wondering what is going on in a society they no longer recognise. Others will never wake up to the truth. Waiting for others to wake up is a waste, each awakens in their own time, and must come to their own truths. For those now awake who see history doing a repeat, sure try to warn others, but try to form a plan of action for yourselves. Don't expect others to lead you, you have to learn to lead yourself.

These forums that people post are full of people to derail threads, to lie to you and tell you what you need to hear, to inspire how thread go, to force opinions, it's all set up for the other side to win. They already have greater numbers than people are willing to believe.

They spent decades breaking down the family, taking over the media to create a numb, mindless generation that could be lead. Then once the damage was done, you had the planned financial collapse, now you are in a state where even if you want to resist, some are going to find it hard to do. Socially others will just go along with what everyone else is doing, telling themselves that each change is not that bad, or that it's no big deal.

People also ask how they are going to force people to comply. For years me and other have been trying to tell you what these people can do to torture you remotely in your very own homes, (look up the term Gang Stalking and directed energy weapons, or electronic harassment) but people just don't want to hear it.

Compliance will be gained and with very little effort on their part. I am not saying it's impossible, but as each day, month, year goes by I see the same arguments, the same manipulations, and it's a circular pattern with nothing getting done, but the public staying asleep long enough for these changes to come through. For the one who do wake up, who truly start to wake up, many are just overwhelmed by the degree of the deception, and the rest will never wake up.

The truth and the reality is scary, but if you are not dealing with the full reality of the situation, how can you ever find real solutions? To really bring about change, you have to understand that this is part of a wider agenda, that had been planned and slowly implemented over years, and you have to be willing to believe what the end result is, without that, you are fighting a none realistic battle, that will not have any real or long lasting outcomes.





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