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Originally posted by Amagnon
Ok - seems you have it all figured out, and the mysteries of the universe fall before your omniscience ..
Well - I believe that ET's are here now, and have been around for a long time - I'm not sure of their intent though, but I feel it isn't good. I believe they are responsible for the religious writings - Bible, Koran, Tulmud - they have been directing us for a long time now - and it looks to me like they want to create Armageddon.
I think our entire planet and its location and everything is artificial - the Moon is too weird, its too old, its orbit is wrong, its not dense enough, the Earth seems to have too much water - and too much gravity to support the huge dinosaurs (especially the flying ones ) whose bones are buried in the ground.
truly, I can't understand their motives.
According to some Muslim scholars, everything from genetics to robotics and space travel is described in the Quran. What nonsense.
Science has acquired a new meaning in certain Muslim circles. When classical Muslim scholars declared that "whosoever does not know astronomy or anatomy is deficient in the knowledge of God", they were emphasising the importance of the scientific spirit in Islam and encouraging the pursuit of empirical science. But today, to a significant section of Muslims, science includes the discovery of "scientific miracles" in the Quran.[/ex ]
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[edit on 13-4-2009 by Nuupio]
In the Islamic world, opposition to science in the public arena takes additional forms. Antiscience materials have an immense presence on the internet, with thousands of elaborately designed Islamic websites, some with view counters running into the hundreds of thousands. A typical and frequently visited one has the following banner: "Recently discovered astounding scientific facts, accurately described in the Muslim Holy Book and by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) 14 centuries ago." Here one will find that everything from quantum mechanics to black holes and genes was anticipated 1400 years ago.
Science, in the view of fundamentalists, is principally seen as valuable for establishing yet more proofs of God, proving the truth of Islam and the Qur'an, and showing that modern science would have been impossible but for Muslim discoveries. Antiquity alone seems to matter. One gets the impression that history's clock broke down somewhere during the 14th century and that plans for repair are, at best, vague. In that all-too-prevalent view, science is not about critical thought and awareness, creative uncertainties, or ceaseless explorations. Missing are websites or discussion groups dealing with the philosophical implications from the Islamic point of view of the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, chaos theory, superstrings, stem cells, and other contemporary science issues.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
There is nothing of the sort in the Quran. There are some apologist Muslim interpreters which try to extract scientific information from the Quran by forceful interpretions. I have seen such attempts before with passages like, "There was smoke in the beginning" which is declared as proof for the big bang and then this is accompanied with the statement, "How could the Quran know 1500 years ago - it is proof that it was authored by god" They state the same with statements like, "The earth is the shape of an egg" and declare it as proof for divine authorship because how could the Quran have possibly known the earth was a sphere before modern times. What they overlook is that the Indians and the Greeks already knew it and has calculated the diameter of the Earth and other planets about 1000 years before the Quran.
Originally posted by karl 12
Objectively speaking, it has been debunked again and again and again and again and again..
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by weedwhacker
No, this is not true. There are religions that do not contain false information but contain accurate scientific information and are themselves based on scientific philosophy. Of those the only ones I know of are Hinduism and Buddism.
As Carl Sagan admits himself Hinduism is the only religion where the time cycles acually correspond to modern time cycles. He says this must no doubt be a coincidence. It actually isn't, the Hindu's understood the universes cycles and had mapped it out in astonishing details. They also knew that the universe contracts and expands and begins from a point-source through a tremendous release of energy. They also know that this expansion takes place because of the breaking of the supersymmetry of three fundamental forces, and when these forces fall out of this balance, the primordial atoms begin to aggregate and then space, time and energy emerges,and then matter begins to evolve because of the three fundamental forces being in a state of flux. Towards the end of the cycle the fundamental forces begin to resolve and the universe begins to contract on itself. This cycle is 311 trillion years.
What is really unique about Hindu science is that this event of creation happening is actually said to be an illusion, there never was a creation. What has happened is that an observer has collapsed the superpositioned state and this causes events to manifest in a binary space-time. In actuality Hinduism supports the many worlds theory, that at the start of creation infinite universes have come into being in which all events and possibilities are happening at once and all times, past, present and future are happening at once. Therefore, the notion that there is a linear sequence of time events is false, and actually the original source that started this cycle of creation was not transformed but underlies all of creation as a universal quantum field.
It should not be surprising thus why Hinduism is the favourite religion of many Quantum physicists.
Originally posted by gilgamesh12
well the bible is a mixture of many things. Its put into one book and story for unilluminated people to follow and worship. God in the begining of genesis is a planet called nibiru, later called marduk by the ruling god marduk/ra. Then in genisis when god makes the first homo sapien he is enki and a goddess ninmah also called MAMMI later called hathor by the egyptians. Then when humans r bossed around and brought to garden to til it and be there workers god is enlil. It goes back and forth, the bible is a bunch of old old old storys squished into one for the unintelligent sheepish people to worship. So having said this, dont u think that the quran, since it was written like 900 years later is similar? This is extremely important to understand before any conclusion is come to. Most of the knowledge is generally easy to understand but remember most of this stuff has been passed down threw the ages of like 5000 to 100000 years and threw 4 or 5 different languages. Trying to figure out what a word like Maarej is supposed to mean is almost senseless. But then again this is a stargate we are talking about and that would be worth more research. Keep up the good fight!!!
Originally posted by undo
reply to post by jeddun
that's assuming that allah was a pagan god. he was not. his name has the same etymology as the hebrew EL.