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reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 05:47 AM by karl 12
Originally posted by JasonT
I would just like to say that this is a fantastic thread. If only more religious threads were like this one where discussions are taking place between Atheists, Christians and Muslims in a logical manner - No arguing or any of that stuff, just an intelligent discussion.


Yes good point -there are a great many organised religions out there and tolerance should definitely be a two way street.
Many faiths speculate about time and space -I found these two quotes interesting from Carl Sagan:
A millennium before Europeans were willing to divest themselves of the Biblical idea that the world was a few thousand years old, the Mayans were thinking of millions and the Hindus billions.
Carl Sagan.


The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
Carl Sagan

refspace.com...

Carl Sagan was an atheist but its refreshing to see him accrediting some faiths with a viable understanding of the universe.
He did also say this though:
Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition.
Carl Sagan

Think of how many religions attempt to validate themselves with prophecy. Think of how many people rely on these prophecies, however vague, however unfulfilled, to support or prop up their beliefs. Yet has there ever been a religion with the prophetic accuracy and reliability of science? ... No other human institution comes close.
Carl Sagan.


I don't follow organised religion and I suspect some of the replies on this thread have more to do with
(un)conscious speculative misrepresentation of subjective halftruths but you're right that its nice to see civilised discussion.
Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 08:15 AM by infinite
reply to post by ArMaP



Koran includes DVD extra's and an alternative ending



reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 10:44 AM by ArMaP
reply to post by ufoorbhunter



The problem I see with the "wormholes" is that there is nothing in the Quran (as far as I have seen) that backs it up like that site shows, while there is information about the Jinn.

PS: one ATS member told me something about that too, an interesting story, I suppose it's the same.


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 12:52 PM by DeltaPan
Very good thread.

I have always been of a mind what our ancestors perceived as our Pantheon of goddesses and gods are indeed non terrestrial interactions etc.

Tending to see things more from the Lemurian - Atlantean perspective though as connected with ancient Celt mythologies, but there's a lot which is the same simply expressed through different eyes and tongue, across the planet though, i was aware of that 30 years ago.

Religions and occult arts are very much entwined with these beings throughout history, as is obvious from the modern perspective at our level of understanding in the 21st century.

Indeed, many through time from completely unconnected civilisations record the same events, beings, transport vehicles etc.

I am deffo bang up there with all you guys with this sort of thing, always have been, completely on page.

Paxus.

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Check this media out.

Bang on target with all this, released this year, there is an older episode from a few years ago of the same title if interested, ConCen or Pirate Bay or somewhere should have the old one.

The uploader
thepiratebay.org... has a lot of media ATS members wil be interested in and i believe filesharing aired to television material is not piracy and that copyright enforcers such as the MPAA are not concerned about it.



History Channel
Ancient Aliens.
(2 Hours)
Airdate: March 8, 2009

What if life on Earth began in outer space? Millions of people accept the theory that intelligent life forms visited Earth thousands of years ago and were worshiped as gods by primitive man. Are monuments like Stonehenge and Easter Island the last remains of an ancient alien visitation? From unexplainable super structures, to knowledge of the solar system, mathematics, and even the ability to make electricity, this special explores evidence of super-human influences on ancient man and embarks on an around-the-world search for answers. It's an investigation into a theory some believe cannot be true, but many agree cannot be ignored. (New--2009 special.)



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Bit torrent clients, i recommend Azureus/Vuse for decent spec 'puters and Utorrent for lower spec, either VLC media player or a codec pack for viewing DivX files on your preferred player, such as K-lite mega codecs lite,, if you are new to Bit Torrent, are available for free from FreeCodecs.com.
www.free-codecs.com...

[I did contact ATS about linking to a torrent tracker, no reply yet. Aplogies if this infringes rules.]



[edit on 12-4-2009 by DeltaPan]



reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 03:22 PM by visible_villain
reply to post by mikesingh


Originally posted by mikesingh
Originally posted by aysekaly
Also, in Q'uran, it mentiones that there isn't any other beings, ET living on any planet. It tells about heaven, hell, satan, angels, some spiritual beings. I hope this would cover some of you questions.

That's what this whole debate is about - interpretation! What are these spiritual beings? Satan? Angels? Can you explain? Could this be interpreted as ETs? Could Heaven and Hell be two planets at war? Could Satan be the ruler of the evil planet? Could angels be the good ETs?

It is possible that ETs were described as angels in most religious books for want of a better word! How do YOU interpret these concepts?

Well, here's a gentleman who's got a 'few' things to say about the matter -

Emanuel Swedenborg

Emanuel Swedenborg (born Emanuel Swedberg; February 8, 1688[1]–March 29, 1772) was a Swedish scientist, philosopher, Christian mystic, and theologian. Swedenborg had a prolific career as an inventor and scientist. At the age of fifty-six he entered into a spiritual phase in which he experienced dreams and visions. This culminated in a spiritual awakening, where he claimed he was appointed by the Lord to write a heavenly doctrine to reform Christianity. He claimed that the Lord had opened his eyes, so that from then on he could freely visit heaven and hell, and talk with angels, demons, and other spirits. For the remaining 28 years of his life, he wrote and published 18 theological works, of which the best known was Heaven and Hell (1758), and several unpublished theological works.

Source : Wikipedia

Now, before reviewing what follows, one might consider taking just a moment to consider the 'tenor of the times,' to wit -

The Roman Inquisition

In 1542, Pope Paul III established the Congregation of the Holy Office of the Inquisition as a permanent congregation staffed with cardinals and other officials. It had the tasks of maintaining and defending the integrity of the faith and of examining and proscribing errors and false doctrines; it thus became the supervisory body of local Inquisitions. Arguably the most famous case tried by the Roman Inquisition involved Galileo Galilei in 1633. Following the French invasion of 1798, the new authorities sent 3,000 chests containing over 100,000 Inquisition documents to France from Rome. After the restoration of the Pope as the ruler of the Papal States after 1814, Roman Inquisition activity continued until the mid-19th century, notably in the well-publicised Mortara Affair (1858-1870).

Source : Wikipedia

For instance, these 'fine professionals,' the Inquisitors, brought 'new meaning' to such common terms as, 'barbeque,' to point out only one of their 'contibutions' to the 'advancement' human 'culture.' They were also 'pretty darned good' at 'drawing-and-quartering,' using 'various machines' to 'stretch out' the human body from it's otherwise 'normal' dimensions, etc ...

Suffice it to say, 'these guys were good' ...

Anyway, I mention this only in passing, because one might quite easily get the 'wrong idea' from Swedenborg's writings. IMHO, he observed 'certain conventions' so as to avoid becoming the 'main course' at a 'Roman barbeque' held in 'his honor,' for instance ...

But, I digress -










Source : Gutenberg Project



reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 06:11 PM by Shawn Richter
reply to post by mikesingh



I hadn't heard of this, but it's interesting - thanks for posting! I wonder if there are other similar messages contained in other holy texts - maybe this is something I should look up!


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 07:13 PM by pitchdragon
reply to post by mikesingh



hello

about , the yagog and magog (hajouj and majouj in arabic) it's the Scythians, these semi-nomadic horsemen whose territory extended from north of the Black Sea north of the Caspian Sea, they crossed the mountains of the Caucasus through Darial Pass, they was feared.
however, we can say they are human beings , physical constitution quite normal. Be careful with these legends and folklore that yaGog and Magog as men gigantic or tiny, ears hypertrophied with big eyes.
i did research and i find about this people, the physical discreption
is they are small with big black eyes a special type but it was the description through the eyes of the people of this era but i think they where talking about the persian or the asian people .
About the journey of the Prophet from Makka to Jerusalem and it's the most intriguing for me, it say that he travel very faster he was inside a sphere of light made from metal and darck stone.
and i heard about the maarejs it's another dimention, you can see it but never touch it, and it's a gate betwen this world and an alternative world and there is many gate to many dimention only angels can travel Through them, in french we call it "mirage" a kind of hallucination.
but they are many many interpretation


reply posted on 12-4-2009 @ 11:24 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by kyred



EXACTLYYY...!!!!!


this is why the text known as the 'Q-Rhan' or the 'Koran' is a simple piece of Human dreck....just as the 'bible' is...more baloloney....

I realize that I am now going to be focused for death......because of my views...I really don't care, because if your religion depends on killing those who diagree...then you have NO RELIGION!!!!

IF you are unable to understand this concept, then you have no right to 'believe'.....
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