(95) "Bring me blocks of iron." At length when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain― sides, he said "Blow (with your bellows)." Then when he had made it (red) as fire he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it molten copper."


why not build a bridge of rocks if gog and magog are humain

using iron and copper, means that we deal with magnetic and conductive material.... I thing more to stop some electromagnetic energy propagation

As far as I can tell it seems to simply say the sun and moon go consecutively following each other.

A), the moon and Earth have always been, and never have not, been moving away from each other.

In other words, the Quran claims that they are in their areas as they are, suspended in their movements, until God says otherwise. However, they have always been moving, never suspended. So therefore, it is wrong.

B) sea shells pretty much have nothing to do with wormholes. And if they were trying to make an analogy, they failed. Why not use caves? or tunnels? Kind of easier.

Originally posted by visible_villain
This, IMHO, is a very sophisticated notion for a 'primitive' people ...
I always ask myself the question -
Did we have 'a little help' in 'concieving' of these 'very sophisticated' ideas?

I've always felt that what we term as 'Gods' are nothing but people from an ET culture who have hastened our evolution by artificial genetic mutation and given to us knowledge that otherwise would have taken hundreds of thousands of years to evolve.

Unfortunately, the translators/writers/poets etc have interpreted these concepts and written them from word of mouth and passed them down the ages, which turned out to be something very ambiguous as they could not of course have been expected to possess the knowledge and scientific percepts that were meant to be handed down to coming generations.

Here I'm referring to the Prophet, Christ and the plethora of deities one finds in religions all over the world. Were they the leaders of an advanced ET race who had come to Earth for giving guidance and helping in modernizing society? But where 'God' or 'Allah' or 'Bhagvan' etc are concerned, they are probably the one and same supreme power, not of skin and blood but an incredibly powerful energy with an intelligence which is impossible to comprehend, beyond imagination.

Well, that's my take! And will always be!

Cheers!

Originally posted by mikesingh


I've always felt that what we term as 'Gods' are nothing but people from an ET culture who have hastened our evolution by artificial genetic mutation and given to us knowledge that otherwise would have taken hundreds of thousands of years to evolve.

Unfortunately, the translators/writers/poets etc have interpreted these concepts and written them from word of mouth and passed them down the ages, which turned out to be something very ambiguous as they could not of course have been expected to possess the knowledge and scientific percepts that were meant to be handed down to coming generations.

I agree.

Which is why those who further analyse what is passed down from our past, word of mouth, pictographic and symbolic, to the written etc, articulating into context within our more advanced perceptions and understandings.

Can lead to elements of knowledge destroyed a couple of thousand years ago, give or take several centuries, where we are just about catching up on the curve we certainly would have achieved had ancient knowledge not been eradicated and scripted out.

Be finally realised in the present and near future.

In the past few hundred years, since the renascence, we have acquired and compounded much knowledge that into the Aquarius age, we are capable of understanding that of the ancients as never before in homonin history.

I believe we are finally growing up as a race as we evolve knowledge exponentially each passing decade, from the child race we once were, some fear and fight change, i embrace it.

Indeed, i believe what our ancestors believed as goddesses and gods, are in fact non terrestrial beings of space faring extraterrestrial races and entities originating in higher levels of dimensionality.

Lets just hope we don't destroy ourselves or Terra herself before we have chance to develop technologies that allow us to prevail, the biodiversity and biosphere of Terra including ourselves, past consequences of moving into a density wave of the galactic arm we traverse within and the resulting gravitational anomalies within the system of Sol, to Sol itelf, far more destructive than the environmental and climatic phenomena which construe global warming in itself.
[Not the script of a sci fi movie yet, but sure as Hades will be at some point, methinks. **Winks**]


For our corporeal existence, in time, is short, as our future unfolds, is it not.

What seems written in the Koran would seem to have parity with ancient consensus in summation and without pointing to the differences and primative expressions, but the similarities to broad context, basically has similar or same messages as everywhere else.

Paxus.


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Mike, people have known for quite some time that light alters per gravity's affect on it. More gravity = slower light, because timw is slowed. My post a while back detailed how one could use this concept to make such an engine.

This is not something that is hidden by the government nor restricted by some group of elites. it's common knowlege for those who seek to persue the field in science.

Gravity is to this century what electricity was to the 19th. We don't have a damn clue how it works, but we know how to use it for our advantage.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Mike, people have known for quite some time that light alters per gravity's affect on it. More gravity = slower light, because timw is slowed. My post a while back detailed how one could use this concept to make such an engine.

This is not something that is hidden by the government nor restricted by some group of elites. it's common knowlege for those who seek to persue the field in science.

Gravity is to this century what electricity was to the 19th. We don't have a damn clue how it works, but we know how to use it for our advantage.

So true.

Is why i also find David Sereda's theories on phasing matter to achieve faster than light velocities required for non terrestrial vehicles to get here from, well, elsewhere, based on gravity and manipulating light frequencies basically speaking, as being intreguing and plausible.

[Ancient of days. - David Serada.]

Pardon the off topic, but i think what you are referring to also accounts for recent postulations in the scientific community, that the expansion of the linear universe is actually now slowing.

I don't think so, in my opinion, it's because gravity in galactic space surrounding the stable Solar-sphere we reside, is causing our outward perception of speed to indicate slowing but more to do with our region of space-time stretching a little as we enter an area of denser gravity in the galactic arm, so expansion appears to be slowing from our relative viewpoint in the galaxy looking outward to the linear universe from within an area of denser gravity on the galactic arm.

Factoring gravitational effects in our local galactic space and how this influences our outward looking telemetries will allow us to tell properly if expansion is slowing or not, until then the suggestion is simply theory and we need more probes to penetrate solar space, into galactic space and relay their telemetries back to us to be factored into extant knowledge and adjustments made if necessary, before we can understand fully.

That's my theory anyway, but off topic, sorry.

Paxus.



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Why are people so amazed by this? The Bible tells more revealing secrets and was written a lot longer before and yet people are praising this like some new found alien code.

First all let me describe some of the supernatural events of the Bible and visions.

Peter's Vision

11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

Book of Revelations

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12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

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1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

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Anyway these are like for like examples, there many other mysterious not even mentioned, like Eziekiel's wheels, the Ark of the Covenant, the Giants on the earth, the star signs and the zodiac, the transfiguration and many other prophecies. But have people looked into it or are they just amazed about hearing it from another source like some new age concept.
The difference today is they stopped the youths of today finding out these things for science fiction stories, when man has catalogged alot of mysteries already, why would they not want you to know?




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