posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 12:01 AM
Long time lurker here at ATS, been visiting on an off for ages.
This thread though was so interesting, I just had to drop in my two cents.
Not much I can add, there are powerful arguements from both sides. People realistically saying what level of carnage and destruction that would
result and on the other sides, dreams of idyllic "Mayberry" nurvannas in a pastorial post-apocalyptic world. Hey, it could happen.
Personally, I dont want everything to self-destruct. I'm not as young as I once was and would swiftly be dead in a MadMax world that most of you
espouse (one of those 'dead weight' people the more Montana Militiamen among you have consigned to death - its easy to consign me and my family to
death, much easier than consigning us to life I suppose).
Recently, I enjoyed a Japanese Manga and Anime called Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. Set in a post-apocalyptic world in which most of the population of the
world had been destroyed, the survivors live in a peacefull idylism, peacefully accepting Mankind's final 'twilight' age and eventual demise.
People openly post on fan boards for this show if they would like to live in this world. Most say they would. I say not. Why? Because it is most
negative to wish for the wholesale death of 5 billion fellow humans just so I can enjoy a quiet cup of coffee in an idyllic cafe.
However, the main point I really wanted to address on this board before I went off on a tangent there was that most of you "yes" voters seem to
think that the people behind this, the politicians, the bankers, the "elite" will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes...
That is so funny!
Yes, during the French Revolution, the King and lots of royalty did get their heads cut off... but most escaped and survived in exile in other lands
where they recovered their wealth and once again lived high on the hog. Yes, the fall of the Roman Empire did wipe out most of the old Roman
aristocracy, but then the Germanic tribal leaders just swiped all their gold and became the new aristocracy. Even in the Russian Revolution, most of
the old aristos escaped.
In this final MadMax collapse in which the normal six year old girl will be consigned to rape, starvation, and even death, those you blame it on will
not suffer. They have what are called exit plans, contingencies, etc. Even IF they lose much of their weath and even if SOME of them do pay with
their lives, most will escape. They might have to settle for doing their own laundry or living on one of their Bermuda islands, but they will do
fine. The survivors will use their financial and social status and know-how to rebuild their situation.
For a true 'change' and revolution, you not only need to get rid of those in power that cause the problems but you have to make sure that the
'leaders' who get ahold of their loot dont just go out and become the new aristos. That wont happen in the chaos that would happen with a general
collapse. Just a few billion dead peasants. I'm a wimp, I dont want to see a few billion dead peasants so that the Bush clan can survive in their
barn shelters and rebuild their kennybunkport hideouts in the new idyllic land to become our new lords.