Are you HOPING for a complete collapse and chaos to happen?

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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by spec2
You People Are Crazy.

Seems like almost everybody wants society to collapse and chaos to rule.

I, for one, do not. Tyranny and oppression will then have the best possible advantage. I'm all for limiting and resisting tyranny when its already here, and above that, preventing it any chance of growth whatsoever. Lets not play into the future tyrant's hands.

Order and Rule of Law to fight tyrants. Not chaos.

I'm warning you.

[edit on 11-3-2009 by spec2]


And what the ******* **** do you suggest? There is nothing else that can save this world. ******** day dreamers make me puke, gandhi like people wont go far as i said, why cant you wake up??!! Violence is in human nature, there nothing we can change without being barbarous. But you must be true on one point: it is probably what they are waiting for. Look at how it was hard to control irak, imagine a world collapse, i dont think it will be easy to retablish order with millions mad and starving people. If i was them, i would let humanity in chaos during some years and then come back. I heard there were a lot of military bases and underground cities around the world, they could wait in these bases. After years of chaos, death, pain and starvations, people would be weak and easier to control. There is a high probability im wrong.

[edit on 11-3-2009 by _damon]




posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by ohh_pleasee


Why is it that everyone just accepts that 'Oh, so what if a bunch of people die, starve, etc.? Not MY problem.' News flash. That is the problem.



Yes THATS a problem but not in the way u think. You see, the flash is we are overnumbered, if nothing happen we will self destruct ANYWAYS. You are the kind to believe we will find a planet where you could escape? Then you ******* utopian. New flash: people starve, suffer, die EACH day? But what are you doing? You are a hypocrite.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by spec2
You People Are Crazy.

Seems like almost everybody wants society to collapse and chaos to rule.

I, for one, do not. Tyranny and oppression will then have the best possible advantage. I'm all for limiting and resisting tyranny when its already here, and above that, preventing it any chance of growth whatsoever. Lets not play into the future tyrant's hands.

Order and Rule of Law to fight tyrants. Not chaos.


[edit on 11-3-2009 by spec2]


Bingo. Somebody gets it.

Creating a chaotic circumstance only means that the ruthless predators are in their element. Chaotic times bring war lords and mini-despots; Who will use most of you whiny-but-I-despise-the-world-so-it-and-everyone-else-in-it-should-die types for the ignorant, easily manipulated Tools that you are. Most of the rest of you will simply die. And for the privileged few who will rise to the top and become the brutal War Lord or mini-despot, well I guess congratulations and lucky you.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by redhorse

Originally posted by spec2
You People Are Crazy.

Seems like almost everybody wants society to collapse and chaos to rule.

I, for one, do not. Tyranny and oppression will then have the best possible advantage. I'm all for limiting and resisting tyranny when its already here, and above that, preventing it any chance of growth whatsoever. Lets not play into the future tyrant's hands.

Order and Rule of Law to fight tyrants. Not chaos.


[edit on 11-3-2009 by spec2]


Bingo. Somebody gets it.

Creating a chaotic circumstance only means that the ruthless predators are in their element. Chaotic times bring war lords and mini-despots; Who will use most of you whiny-but-I-despise-the-world-so-it-and-everyone-else-in-it-should-die types for the ignorant, easily manipulated Tools that you are. Most of the rest of you will simply die. And for the privileged few who will rise to the top and become the brutal War Lord or mini-despot, well I guess congratulations and lucky you.


What do you suggest wise one? Is there anything that is not useless we could do instead wishing for chaos? Pray god?



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Is our way working?



It may be time to consider getting a higher power for those who haven't yet found one!



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by MatrixProphet

Is our way working?



It may be time to consider getting a higher power for those who haven't yet found one!


i wonder what is that great power you are talking about... oh wait i just saw your signature, now i know and there is nothing to tell about it... "believers" as i call them are more brain washed than the common, we really cant count on them...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 05:54 PM
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* Evil shifty eyes *

Of course, a total collapse is the only solution:

Mao's saying:


Progress is born in chaos, and originality comes from destruction


And Mao is right, maybe he didn't do it in the right approach, but we could.



If Americans like the way it is right now, then hell... that makes it easier for elites to take over a nation of dim witted adolescents.

We need a "stimulus" to help in the U.S. to realize the difference between their ways of life and others' ways of life.

[edit on 3/11/2009 by die_another_day]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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I'd rather see change in a rational kind of fashion happen than random chaos. I live in the NYC area, and since the population is kind of dense, I'd rather not see crazy # happen.

Seems like a lot of people are desperate to be apart of something big and important to feel like their lives/future deaths are meaningful and special. The religious nutts are awaiting the rapture (rofl), 2012 people have their own views, people want to think they live in the time of the antichrist (i.e. Obama), global warming/ 9-11/ natural disasters/ economic disaster.

For as long as we are going to exist on this planet, we are always going to be getting in trouble. There will always be war, a natural disaster, religious freaks making up stories to fit their psychotic wishes, and there will always be suspicion of someone in power regardless of how good or bad he/she is.

Thats the way we are, have been and will continue to be. Yeah we have a better side to each of us and it shows. Just enjoy your existence for what it is, regardless of how uncertain it is.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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i wonder what is that great power you are talking about... oh wait i just saw your signature, now i know and there is nothing to tell about it... "believers" as i call them are more brain washed than the common, we really cant count on them...



Well sweetie, you didn't read real closely, now did you?

Yes, a believer in a power with consciousness, but against all religion, including atheism.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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i have read your post and you can be good religion follower or a new age adept, its all the same. You believe you have power? You know, thats not the 1st time i heard that, and usually, it comes from an antisocial kid. But new age people are in their own trip, a **** illusion.

If it is not what you are, well i will gladly hear the whole story if you accept to tell it. But PLEASE dont tell me this power is linked to karma and other crap. Plus dont tell me it is a power of love or something stupid like this. I really hope you will be original, im so sick to hear the same # from hopeless people that are believing nonsense...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by redhorse
Creating a chaotic circumstance only means that the ruthless predators are in their element. Chaotic times bring war lords and mini-despots; Who will use most of you whiny-but-I-despise-the-world-so-it-and-everyone-else-in-it-should-die types for the ignorant, easily manipulated Tools that you are. Most of the rest of you will simply die. And for the privileged few who will rise to the top and become the brutal War Lord or mini-despot, well I guess congratulations and lucky you.


Creating a chaotic circumstance will reveal, once and for all, who our enemies actually are. Until there is a clearly defined target, we will continue to be controlled with no chance of fighting -- because even though some of us might see the enemy, most don't -- and the only way we win this war is when we are united as the majority.

TPTB would be making a big mistake to try and exploit a chaotic situation such as the one I'm hoping for. I hope they do make that mistake.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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I think the "NWO" as is described on here is far from the truth.

The paradox is, they cant tell tell the real truth to the westerners because we won't like it.

I think by letting the real NWO run their course they will create far more equality in the world, the bad news for westerners is that we will see a reduction in quality of life (which is admittedly, excessive at the moment) but in return we will see a better quality of life in the poorer countries.

We in the west are lucky, real damn lucky to have what we have. Even when we lose our jobs and go onto welfare, we still have money to eat.

We earn more for sitting on our arse than some third world citizens earn for a month of back breaking work (maybe longer)

I see the real NWO as a good thing.

Without it... inequalities, causing war...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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Yes !!!

But instead of that spirituality crap, we should start off on a clean slate by making a promise to cooperate! We could solve any problem, no matter what comes up, if everybody just cooperated! And everybody could have as much fun as they wanted, and smoke up however much we could obtain through our collective efforts.

It would definitely better than meditating about your navel, or worrying about some white man in the sky judging you.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Quite a very interesting thread here. So many pro's and con's for anarchy. A lot of good common sense responses and some maybe a little extreme. Certainly a wealth of information from which I can formulate my own opinion, but, let's read a few more. Things certainly don't look good at this point.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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I still want to hear an explanation why there needs to be anarchy, chaos and suffering.

People can't just say "everything has to collapse so we can rebuild" or "thats how it works, out of chaos comes order'. Or any other number of things I have read here.

I am open minded, I just would like to hear why that is necessary.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
I still want to hear an explanation why there needs to be anarchy, chaos and suffering.

People can't just say "everything has to collapse so we can rebuild" or "thats how it works, out of chaos comes order'. Or any other number of things I have read here.

I am open minded, I just would like to hear why that is necessary.


Why don't you tell us how else we change this world into a place where organized religion doesn't dominate the world and prevent us from progressing as humans. A world where we are free from the hunger of possessing power and control. Where there is no concept of "race" or "country", but just "humans" and "earth". No boundaries, no limits. A world where we all share a common goal of living free and progressing to the stars -- with equal opportunity.

Can you honestly look me in the eye and tell me we can make these changes living in the world of today?

We're already living in a chaotic reality where countless people suffer everyday. It's just long and drawn out to such an extent, many living in their bubbles don't even realize it. The same conclusion awaits us all, no matter what -- whether it happens today or over the span of 1000 years. It's inevitable, we won't change.

All I'm asking for is to get it over and done with, so that maybe in my lifetime, I can get a glimpse of a world I'm proud to be a part of.

[edit on 11/3/09 by Navieko]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by Navieko

Why don't you tell us how else we change this world into a place where organized religion doesn't dominate the world and prevent us from progressing as humans. A world where we are free from the hunger of possessing power and control. Where there is no concept of "race" or "country", but just "humans" and "earth". No boundaries, no limits. A world where we all share a common goal of living free and progressing to the stars -- with equal opportunity.

Can you honestly look me in the eye and tell me we can make these changes living in the world of today?

We're already living in a chaotic world. It's just long and drawn out to such an extent, many don't even realize it. The same conclusion awaits us all, no matter what -- whether it happens today or over the span of 1000 years. It's inevitable, we won't change.

All I'm asking for is to get it over and done with, so that maybe in my lifetime, I can get a glimpse of a world I'm proud to be a part of.

[edit on 11/3/09 by Navieko]


I am not opposing any view here I just want to hear a justification why the complete level chaos and destruction that many support is necessary.

Someone please write out a philosophical rationale for it. I am not saying this sarcastically. I think it would be good for everyone to read and discuss.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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A couple of questions to entertain while you wish for the world to collapse. Things people in 3rd world countries deal with on a daily basis.

Why would you want your life to be worse than it is? You have money problems? You have a hard time making ends meet? Well what are you going to do when gas goes to the person who has the most to offer? What are you going to do when a loaf of bread and a few vegatables cost you a tire from your car?

A time will come when you need to go to the city reservoir 20 miles away to find fresh water for your family, you will be confronted by militia and turned back to where you came from, or possibly you'll sneak to the reservoir under cover of night with your neighbors to grab a few gallons and hike back by sunrise. Hopefully you won't be shot and killed for the bread and water you carry.

How will you get corn meal, flour and salt? The stores are empty..and if you live in a city, where would you find it? Can you murder people to steal what they have? Everybody talks about protecting themselves, but what about the killing and crimes YOU will have to do to aquire what YOU didn't stock sufficiently?

Farmer communities will be armed to the teeth to protect their foods, will you fight them to grab a few corn stalks and brocolli for your starving family back at home? WIll you kill them?

It goes on and on. Where will you go to the bathroom? How about simple medicines? Diabetic shots, excedrin, cold meds, bandages and antiseptic.

You'll take your son who is suffering from stomach pains to the nearest doctor, and he'll charge you you're whole house or possiblly all the food you have left, to help you. Don't like it? Too bad, because he'll have a bunch of partners who are all armed and ready to shoot anyone attempting to take his medical stash.

Local Police will band together and run their own towns, corruption will reign and they will take what they need by force to collectively care for their families.

You'll eventually have to pay a "tax" to remain protected in your community, after you run out of bullets or they are stolen from you. Women will be taken advantage of to pay some of this "tax".

How many candles do you have to operate at night in your house before you run out? Do you attempt to build a fire in your apartment?

Where would you go get bullets for your guns? How much would they "cost"? 4 bottle of Gin and several loaves of bread?

Where will you go to get information to find out what is happening and when help will arrive? No T.V. , No internet, maybe short wave radios to receive transmissions, but who has the equipment to send transmission? How much will they want from you to allow you to use it to contact relatives on the East/West coast?

I'm talking abaout people who aren't ex-special ops or highly trained battle hardened soldiers like you all claim to be...

Think of what you always wanted in your life, that you THINK you'll be able to attain after the collapse and ask yourself "How will I get it, ad how much will I have to offer to get it". Everything we have require a service to operate, cell phones, electricity, etc. We produce nothing, so non farmer communities will be left to looting and stealing to survive.

Houses, cars? forget it, no use..no gas, no elec. Entertainment? where? How much you have to barter for it? Start a business to earn a way? Goodluck not getting shot or "taxed" by the local government gangs.

And last but not least, WHO will watch over your daughter , wife and son while your out for days looking for food and help?

[edit on 11-3-2009 by manbird12000]

[edit on 11-3-2009 by manbird12000]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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The way I see it, it's all about achieving a collective mindset. In order to achieve this, we all have to be on the same level. The pyramid must come crashing down and everyone must see it. Everyone must be effected by it. It has to be big and scary enough, that the reality of what we've created confronts all. We all have to suffer the effects of what we've created in order to see what must be done. The mistakes, the silliness... the foolishness of our ways -- must all be revealed.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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YES - I want the collapse but NO - not the bloody neanderthal kind.
In times of trouble, people will need to realize they need to stick together.
The farmer doesn't need DC approval to bring his oats to the mill, and the millworker doesn't need DC approval to grind the oats to flour, and the bakery guy doesn't need DC approval to bake some bread. People will face the horrors you guys are speaking of and will look for a way to circumvent it. Cooperation and organization will be essential, and there are many intelligent ways to go about it with freedom and accountability in mind, without compromising productivity. Of course, all this is much easier to accomplish in a small rural town than it is to do so in New York City.
But people will flee the cities and spread out all over the country, so I don't think it's impossible, and I don't think it has to be blood and gore and gangs and plagues at all.

If anything, I believe it is worth investigating ways to organize our world in a free, sustainable, co-operative, ethical and intelligent manner, without dismissing it instantly as communism or socialism, as is often the case. We can learn from historic revolutions like this one:


Edit to ad: This revolution was obviously bloody and the utopia they remember didn't last, but when I say WE can learn from such past events I also mean the people in politics and the military. WE do all the work, but the few super-rich have the property documents, and so they loan their world to US. We'll hopefully one day get together and peacefully transition from that world to our own.

Collapse and Burn? NO
Mass awakening and Utopia on earth? YES

[edit on 11-3-2009 by Psynarchist]





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