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Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
No. I dont want a total collapse.
And neither should any of you.
Dreams of epic adventure and romantic notions are juevenile delusions based probably more on boredom in ones own life than any real logical thought.
Societies need restarts, overhauls, tweaks, constant work. But any sane human being should want this to be accomplished without a breakdown in society.
Let me paint a realistic scenario of what the situation could well be like after a true and total breakdwon in society:
1. On day one, the gloom-lovers party hard. Stashes of good smoke they've managed to put back for this very day come out from under mattresses.
2.By the end of week one, however, all sources of communication are now totally down..and with that brings a total lack of outside information. And rest assured, NOTHING you will ever encounter instills more panic than simply not knowing.
3.By the 8th or 9th day one is wondering what the hell is going on...and a sense of isolation builds regardless of any group of 'like minded individuals' one may be associated with. And you would trade your now empty bong pipe for a good tomato sandwich.
4.By the end of the second week all that food and water the 'awake' have been hording to last six months or so is getting very bland and tiring...and much more of it has been consumed than you would have wished.
5.By now the looters in the big cities have given up on plasma-tv looting and turned instead to looting canned spam and beenie-weenies. Suddenly bereft of drug and thug cultural/media support they look a lot more like scared kids than 'gangstas'.
6.Meanwhile, across the tracks, survivalist are still hiding in bunkers, nasty and sick and tired and bored without any outside information. Many already would trade their assault rifles for one good cheesburger.
7.After the first month, most people are missing what they used to take for granted. No more MP3 players for instance, no more text messages or Family Guy. And posting on internet message boards? Forget it.
8. Roughly six weeks or so after the 'collapse' many people still alive find themselves re-evaluating things. Suddenly, everyone is a little more conservative than they used to be---as they tend to an ailing grandmother who is slowly giving into despair and senility.
9.By week seven or so, the despair on the faces of those around you speak much louder than your old boastful posting on a message board of 'collapse' once did....
10. And finally, after about two months you've almost burned through your supply of stored beenie weenies, even sometimes sneaking some in the middle of the night when your children are asleep. Also, you never used to pray, in fact, you were much to enlightened to believe in anything THAT silly.
Now however, you find yourself doing a LOT of things you once would have thought unthinkable.
And tomorrow when an old battered Army National Guard convoy pulls through your town tossing out four packs of Sams club water?
You will go stand in line and take your water and cheer and wave and pray again for a restoration of society.
This isnt the movie 'The Postman' people. Forget your fantasies of adventure-via-chaos and work in your neighborhoods for positive change before this scenario really happens.
Originally posted by redhorse
Please pardon my finger shaking for a moment. I know this little spiel isn't going to be very popular but...
I understand that there is sort of a gestalt social psychological want for a cathartic Event, but that is the quick and dirty way. I am suspicious of the sub-conscious motivations of individuals who want (or think) they want the destruction for the 'Chance To Rebuild'. Spare me. Because, more often then not that 'rebuild' is just a conscience placating salve. What they really want is the destruction for the sake of manifesting their own anger.
In the end it's more or less motivated by knee-jerk emotional responses that really aren't very productive. But they feel good short term. I think there are better ways to restructure our society. Ways that may be more work, and not nearly as emotionally satisfying in the short term as a good ol' armageddon fest, but that would be more stable in the long term.
On a more selfish note. If this does go tits up, my husband and I are both completely dependent on medication for our survival. So I'm dead within a few days, and he is dead within a few months, and our nine year old daughter is left to fend for herself. Think about that for a minute. Now, multiply that by the tens of thousands or better. The sorrow, the pain, the fear, the human loss and torment that will be perpetuated by this, by people--children--who had no choice, no say. Look at the historical record, the human toll of it. Look at what you really want to start here.
I see a lot of kids clamoring for this. And a lot of disillusioned, disaffected, angry adults clamoring for this. Many of these don't really understand what that kind of brutality is.
Because of a murky past, I know what it is to be surrounded by people who will kill you. I know what it is to be beaten to the ground (literally.) I know what it is to have to beat some one else first, just to survive. I have looked down the wrong end of a gun more than once. None of this is a rush. None of this is fun. And even when you have out-bullied some one, you don't come out feeling powerful, or dominant. You come out afraid of retaliation down the road. Dignity has nothing to do with base survival, only fear.
I am very wary of people who want this kind of chaos. With few exceptions they fit into two categories--Either they don't actually understand what real brutality is, and are getting caught up in the rush and fear and need to feel in control of an increasingly out of control situation, or they are simply psychotic, and want a world where it is socially acceptable to manifest their own brutality.
"Have the courage to act instead of react."
--Earlene Larson Jenks
Originally posted by johnny2127
Do you want the world and economies to collapse and chaos to reign?