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can't very well stay in the same class. logic, ya kn
Originally posted by moocowman
and the assumption was this was in relation to Religious Education which is part of the curriculum.
That sounds like a reasonable assumption, and I see nothing wrong with children learning about different religions.
To cut a long story shorter my child not only had to learn about xtainity in RE class, which was taught by a Christian for half an hour a week for SEVEN MONTHS, where she was informed by the teacher that Jesus Christ is a very real person and god but also had to take part in the worship of this god twice a week.
How horrible. Having your child learn about humility, patience, self sacrifice, acts of kindness, gentleness, compassion, loving one another, and acts of charity that Jesus promoted must be a real insult. It would be so much better to just leave your child alone so that all they know is the way of selfishness, greed, false pride, crime, and all of those virtuous ways of world.
I have only recently learned that on the first day she started this “Secular” school that along with her books, diaries that she was given there was also a “BIBLE”!!!!!!!!
Oh my God, she got a free BIBLE! How horrible. You must be traumatised. So your child started asking questions about Christianity that you could not answer and you felt stupid and decided to get angry. Good thinking. Would you rather have your child ask you how to lie and cheat their way through a life full of hate, misery, and crime?
Needless to say I was very pissed off indeed with xtian propaganda being shoved down my child’s throat, and contacted the school.
Brilliant move. Make yourself look stupid again. Did they give you the old line, "when in Rome do as the Romans do."
So far as I’ve been able to ascertain, my child’s head of year, deputy head, headmaster and many are of xtian persuasion and so far these people are adamant that should I not want my child to be involved in their beliefs or worship, then they are willing to “SEGREGATE” her from the activities in which have this religious worship is somehow imposed upon them.
I've been trying to read between the lines of your broken English and the above paragraph makes no sense. Perhaps your problem is your own lack of education. I know it's frustrating for you, but get a life. The Bible and Christianity is a big part of this world and the human consciousness. Use this as an opportunity to do some research into the subject and stop fearing what you do not understand.
I have also learned today much to my horror that, without any parental consent whatsoever, this school has been using Vericool biometric fingerprinting of my child.
At least it's not the Veri-uncool biometric fingerprinting. If it was only your child being singled out it would be a reason for concern, but your concern(horror) is unjustified. Time to emotionally mature beyond adolescent level don't you think?
As of this week I am fighting back, I've had enough this is war I'm now going to use every last drop of energy I have in me, to publicly debunk Christianity in front of young people.
Well that's a relief. Some people that love to HATE strap on bombs and destroy themselves, people and property. But don't you think people are getting sick of the "WAR" mentality. "I don't like you or your religion so I'm going to blow you up, or shoot you, or make your life miserable." Get a LIFE!!
I would be grateful if any other ATSers who sympathize with my position could kindly give me help with "None hate inciting" propaganda material, such as posters etc so I can just print off as I'm no good at the stuff.
As I somehow I don't think AshleyD will contribute with her most excellent art work.
Seriously, spend your time seeking to add more humility, meekness, patience, and love in your life. You will live longer, be happier, and your family and friends will enjoy being around you. Jesus was a very important historical figure. He has had more influence on history than any other person who walked the earth, including Moses and Abraham. Jesus and the Bible is not going to hurt your child. It is your fear and your hatred that is going to do all the damage.
[edit on 8/3/09 by John Matrix]
Originally posted by Atlantican
The day is coming when we will all WISH, even us non Christians, that we were surrounded by Christians and that the church and state weren't so separated.
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by undo
The class is the secondary issue, the worshiping takes place seperately where the kids are brought together supposedly to give information like hockey results or bacon is off the lunch menu. This information session is thickly mixed with the worship of a deity, and readings of various passages of selected religious doctrine.
your kids has to learn about the Jesus (he is historical preson) same way as mine has to learn about the gay history.
This precisely. "Assemblies" in UK schooling are full to the brim of a mixture of information and disinformation, in the form of Christian doctrine. (This is in the case of state secular/CoE schools afaik) By mixing doctrine with information, one can easily manipulate and confuse young minds.
RE doesn't only cover one religion or deity - The China Teapot, Spaghetti Monster, Ra, Mythra, Thor, Zeus, Quetzecoatal, Jedi and Manitou all deserve their place in the class room.
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by czacza1
your kids has to learn about the Jesus (he is historical preson) same way as mine has to learn about the gay history.
Dude trying to turn this thread around will not solve any problem.
My kids are fully aware that some people are gay, my children may turn out gay themselves, so what ?
Needless to say my children are young and their knowledge of history is limited, to what they have been taught so far.
Currently I find xtians trying to indoctrinate my kids into their belief system,
as far as I'm aware they are using bibles.
If my kids continue to read these bibles they will become aware that according to these so called historical documents gay people should be put to death.
So what is your problem with kids gaining knowledge of the history of homosexual persecution ?
Originally posted by NatureBoy
Good on you op, these christians might think they're only doing whats 'right' by your child but indeed they are trying to install the same close minded MUST OBEY mind control into everyone they meet exactly because of this brain washing having been so effective on them.
How does a person become an expert on Christianity like yourself? Tell me so I can avoid such stupidity. Christianity is all about education, removing fear, instilling hope, LOVE, character development, etc. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Christians see themselves as being 'on the right path' but also 'the only path' and they are serving the 'one true god' - dangerous sentiments, we see just how far this mindset can lead you with the inquisition for example,
You HATE lovers always bring the deep dark past up as though somehow that makes you look like a well informed intelligent expert when in fact, you make yourself look ill informed. It is true that the RCC kept people in ignorance. It was easy to do back then because the Christians you refer to did not own or ever read a bible. Even the wealthy could not afford a bible until long after the printing press was invented in 1440 A.D.
What does that tell you about your blaming Christians for the Inquisitions way back when? Think before you start blaming people you know nothing about.
So make sure she knows that RE is always taught by biased people, so is science and history (lol my old history teacher taught us that jfk was killed by the american government) and all other subjects.
Look in the mirror at your own bias pal. Your post is full of bias assumptions, prejudice, intolerance, bigotry, and hatred. That's some character you have developed.
and consider that all religions practice some form of dogmatic wrangling to placate gods old demands (women can't talk in church, rape victims stoned, goats killed every time a woman menstruates, etc.
Really? What Christian church does that? I would like to know so I can avoid it. I read the reast of your advice to the OP and must say that if she tried teaching that load of dung to her child, her child would probably laugh her face off and think her own mother was an idiot.