Originally posted by Exopolitico

We keep hearing of dogfights "up there". This may not be as far fetched as it sounds.

Ive read about this too. It would not surprise me one bit who the hostile ones would be instigating these "dogfights"....how do the Ferengi say it.....

..HOOUMAHN. ??



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Originally posted by RFBurns
I am sure the well known debunker regulars are pouring over their notebooks right now to try to come up with a link to lens anomaly or ice particle or debris or some other rediculous explanation, and surround that with big words and indimidating, fancy theories to explain this one.

I say good luck to them.

This cannot be debris from the shuttle. The object is too far away when it enters the frame.

This cannot be a lens anomaly. No lens anomaly brings something into the frame and manuvers as this object does.

This cannot be an ice particle. It would have burned up as it moved closer to the atmosphere and became nothing, plus ice does not do 180 degree turns and move off in another direction with no other outside force nearby to make it move.

This cannot be space junk. Again, it would have begun to burn up as it got closer to the atmosphere. Free falling..or floating in this case, debris or ice does not slow down as it approaches the atmosphere. It will speed up and increase velocity, and then begin to burn up.

Im not sure what to make of it..other than it is not any of the above. It could be either a controlled craft or one of them "space critters". Either way, IMO..it is definately something other than ice, debris, lens anomaly, junk, light refraction, video glitch or whatever else is in the debunker bag o scuses.

I cant wait to hear this one explained away.



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What is it then? At least these guys are being rational as opposed to you bringing forth some ridiculous accusations and theories about it being an extraterrestrial craft.

There must be a link to a better quality video somewhere. How can we discuss this rationally when all we really see is white dots

Anybody know which astronaut filmed it? If I were an astronaut at least I'd keep the "UFO" in the center of the screen. Looks like it wasn't a big deal at all.

I think it's hard to drawn any kind of definitive conclusion about this video. There are too many unknowns. Size of object, speed, shape, height above the Earth, and the objects composition.

Thats like asking what was the make, model and color of car that just ran you over? Not the main point

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I dont post here much but I'm a daily lurker. I am fascinated by the topics of discussion here and consider my self a 'believer'. However, I tend to believe any fantastical earthly explaination is much more logical and probable than something other worldly and this video is no exception. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all I see is a spot, a point illuminated without any hint of size, shape or depth, moving somewhere in space. Could be a speck of dust 12" from the lense or a object 100 miles in diameter hovering just above our atmosphere moving thousands of miles per hour.

Point being, with so little to see and even less to understand from an otherwise explanable occurance, how on earth could this even make the quantum leap to undenyable proof needing to be debunked? Is this really all it takes now for a skeptic to 'believe'?

I know this site has become watered down over the years but good god, does anyone really believe what they are seeing here outstretches every possibility of earth based logic and explanation? Does anyone really look at that and consider it something in the order of proof of alien life??

Not to be a stick in the mud, as I always enjoyed watching this video, and anything brought about with intent for discussion, but after reading some of the responses in this thread, I am simply amazed at how some can even consider this video as proof of anything let alone aliens and UFO's..

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Originally posted by Nichiren

Are you saying that one of the bright lights is on the surface of planet earth? A city? Sorry for being confused about this.

From that altitude, depending on what area the shuttle is above, a large city lit up at night would have a large clustered look. These look almost like small clusters.

They do not seem to be as large as the object that is moving. But the object is not considerably much larger either. Its difficult to say for sure what the distance is, but certianly a tiny ice particle is not going to move in the manner as this object does.

The size of the object as it moves across the frame and then changes direction does not seem to change size all that much as it moves in the frame, that would suggest that it is not drastically moving away or closer to the shuttle. It is rather consistant in size. Again that doesnt tell us where it is from the shuttle however.

But I have to point out once again, no ice particle or space junk is going to manuver itself in the manner that this object does without some kind of outside influence, be it from a thruster blast or something hitting the object.

If something were to hit the object, it would not slow down in the linear fashion as it does in this video. It would not turn and then build up speed over a short time in the other direction.



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