Rapelay virtual rape game banned by Amazon

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Ick. My opinion wasn't sexist but hey you can project that all you want. Yes i've heard of projection, no i'm not doing it and thanks for taking the less honest route of attacking me rather than the points i made.

Yep this place is just getting unfriendly.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


If you point had anything to do with my own, I would have addressed it. Your last several points have had nothing to do with my argument.

I am sorry that you think that setting up straw men and knocking them down is solid argument, and I make no apology for the fact that I dont want to play straw man with you. And if calling you on your dishonest argumentative tactics is "unfriendly" then cry me a river.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The games depict the rape men by men, women by men, men by women and women by women. They are clear and equal and no group is victimised more than another. So i have to ask why you even bothered bringing up the women thing when the issue is larger? Yes this particular game is about women but others are not so maybe your stance should be against rape as a blanket argument and no need to bring up women?

I dont think that summing up all my posts there is any question that I am against rape in general. And treating ANY class of people in a way that glorifies or normalizes their degradation or abuse I find offensive. You are choosing of your own volition to make my argument one that women should be given protections men should not. My own argument does not indicate that.

I have stated that explicitly several times. The thread topic is about a game that depicts "WOMEN" being raped. I am arguing against that primarily because that is the topic. I have made the more broad statements against depicting violence against other groups as well and you choose to keep trying to make me into a rabid feminist or something. Pardon me for objecting to your dishonest characterization of me.





[edit on 14-2-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]

Only in Japan one poster said... what short lived memories people have - do you remember at the height of US school shooting's a US firm (stand to be corrected, but I'm sure they were from the States) developed a game called "Schoolyard Slaughter" - I'll let you work out the premise of the content. There was uproar... but yet, several GTA's later I don't see the car's outside my house jacked every night.

It's the old adage of whether or not this type of media cause's / influences violent behaviour. Well I for one would rather have all the flasher and rapists of the world excercising their sick fantasies on their PC screens than on the streets. And if that's your kick, for whatever reason your brain tell's you it's ok, then play the game instead of actuating the real situation.

The guy's who commited the colorado school murders and more recently the BElgium baby killer they were said to be dressed as Matrix and Batman characters - but these film's did not instigate their actions, IMO they offered a guise and cover for their motives.

The same applies here... there is no reason this game will make rapist's of anyone - they are already out there and if they are likely to strike they will regardless of what media is available - of course we will blame this game if it's found on their PC - but it can't explain the countless rape's that have gone before.

Disgusting as it is, welcome to the sick sick world of entertainment where excercising fantasties, discretions and dispositions on screen is far safer than in the real world... stay sober and stay home if this scares you because banning any game / film / art will not stop someone hell bent on their goals... sad but true

Well I think in Eastern Culture it's acceptable because Women are held in less regard there.

Originally posted by kindred
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Violent computer games don't cause violence. Yeah right!, nothing like being in denial. I guess that's why todays generation are only too happy to slit your throat, just so they can get their fix of games like grand theft auto IV and there's also fact that teenage violence is spiralling out of control. So enlighten me, what's the cause?
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I'd hazard a gues and say that american films and culture by large is responsible for a lot of it.

Isn't gangster-rap american in origin?

Isn't it true that most american music vidoes that feature women have them in a state of almost undress?

Isn't it true that many idolized pop-stars are deeply involved in drugs and lewd living?

Isn't it true that the majority of action films have to have cars exploding even if they only hit a post box? (memo to self: Never buy an american car).

Isn't it true that violence in films is acceptable for young people whereas making love gets films rated unfit for anything else than adults?
(do I have to mention Rambo 1 through 18 and Rocky 1 to 37?)

Sadly our western society caters for the sex/violence mixture in much the same way as the japanese. We have it in film more than in games. Where's the difference?

HolgerTheDane

reply to post by wolf241e


There are plenty of new and great games to be developed.
They are in no way running out of ideas.

Sure, this game is sickening, but its no different than people making rape movies.
It doesnt mean that that they are running out of ideas for movies...
Just that there are sick people in this world.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by SumnerKagan

Sorry. The character going to jail at the end, does NOT redeem this theme or this game.

But in your earlier post it redeemed the novel or movie.

You claim that it's okay to use as a device to illustrate the perversion of people, and yet, even if, in the end the person gets what they deserve it's not acceptable for a game.

One can create a fantasy scenario in their own mind, even write a story or movie in which it happens, but god forbid it be an interactive game, that would just be wrong.

[edit on 2/13/2009 by eNumbra]

The keywords here, are "interactive" and "fantasy".
This is creating, or acting on a "fantasy" of rape.
This is creating a medium where people will act, and interact in a way that let's them participate in rape.

I'm sorry, but you are using popular, liberal arguments to defend something that is deeply sick and twisted.
In my opinion, there are 3 important facts here:

1. In most cases, a person will have to have this dark seed inside of them already, in order to want to play this game. No "healthy" person would be interested. Which means that the creators are knowingly creating a product catering to something sick and evil.
2. This sickness has been identified, and this game is feeding into that seed. Helping it. Letting it "play" and grow.
3. Even if it is being created, mostly, out of a desire to make money, that means that the strategy is to bring more people into the fold, and expand this to as many people as possible.

This game isn't involving a person fantasizing about being a soldier, or assassin, or cop, battling monsters, and criminals and killers.
This is an exercise in fantasizing about being one of societies worst "cancers".
A rapist.

There has to be a "line" drawn somewhere.

This site, like the world, is filled with people that have all varieties of fears, goals and opinions. Whether they believe in the "Devil", "Alien Invaders", "Government Conspiracies", "Reptoids" or "Illuminati".

Whatever "Boogey Man" people believe in, I find it hard to comprehend that nobody can see that there is a manipulating force here, pushing our society to a darker, colder and spiritually weaker place every day.

It's so sad.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by SumnerKagan]

Originally posted by TheColdDragon

US? What is wrong with YOU? There's something, there is ALWAYS SOMETHING.

Only, there isn't ANYTHING that is wrong with you. You are a human being.

That's the problem. You are human... and you are infected with a meme that thinks all humans are the same, and must behave and act the same with the same morals and the same revulsions and the same values.

SAMENESS. That is what is wrong, the bleeding, bloating need for SAMENESS that people have. The comfort of the familiar and the friendly. The moral outrage that people vomit whenever they see something shocking to them, something that they feel SHOULD NOT EXIST!

It isn't about how it hurts you or hurts your children, it's about your fragile world being torn asunder by the naked face of reality! It's about the ugliness and uncontrollable nature of the REAL.

People want a fantasy to live in, they want their dreams and wishes and ideals to be given a physical form. The man behind the curtain, or the WOMAN, is never as grand or perfect as anyone would like to pretend.

So some people made a damn video game so that people who enjoy the control and fantasy of yielding to the primal nature of barbarism, and you think you are all BETTER than that. You all think you are so much further than these- these 'Sickos', so much more civilized.

There isn't more than a skein of imaginary fluff seperating you from these people. They themselves see themselves as people, but you do not... who is it that looks at you and secretly swallows their disgust and revulsion because of your religion? Your skin? Your FACE? Your POSITION? YOUR WEALTH! YOUR POVERTY!!! YOUR SPORTS!!!! YOUR INSANITY!!!! YOUR

HUMANITY!

I really don't know how to respond to this.

You are so angry. So certain of your argument.
So certain of the conclusions you have come to.
So certain of who I, and others "like" me, must be.

And all of this frustration that your post reveals - is because I feel sickened by the production of a a game whose goal is to provide a certain satisfaction, thrill and enjoyment that one might get from raping a woman and her children?

And what's wrong with me?

I was raped and almost killed some years ago by a stranger. I never once felt contempt for him. Even while I lay bleeding in the hospital with a busted jaw - I knew that this was an evolutionary thing. This was who just who he was.
His journey - so to speak. What he did had nothing to do with me.
Simply stated - some of us rape people - some of us don't.
It didn't make him less of a person.
It only made him a different person than myself.

But to condone and promote the "thrill" of rape by way of game?
That is a different thing entirely.

I agree that sameness is not such a good thing.
I agree that these uncomfortable truths are reality.

I do not agree that these things are what we should be teaching
our children through game.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by spinkyboo]

Any idea when is the gay version gonna be out ?

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
But in the end they are just games. I don't see how you could be fine with violence, rape, death, destruction, demons, evil, in movies and games.

But once anything sexual comes up in a game, oh no!!

A large percentage of violent games involve retribution against evil creatures or men who deserve it. I know there are games that depict historic wars where no one side was necessarily more evil than the other, or games like Grand Theft Auto where innocent civilians are hurt... but creating a game that specifically depicts acts of extreme depravity against innocent, defenseless women is another matter. Not in the same league at all.

How is a computer game where you see animated characters raping a woman any different than some mainstream r-rated movies that have rape scenes in them?

Originally posted by traderjack
This is just disgusting. Rape games? Don't tell me this won't instill the perversion of rape in the minds of young men and boys. The creators of this game should be shot!

These creators are obviously pedophiles and rapists, even if they haven't acted on it!

Ugh.

You people.

There was f'd up games like this way back in the pre-nintendo times. PLEASE don't say how it's 'disgusting' as if you think this is something new or is the only medium which rape can be expressed in forms of individual entertainment.

You know there's this category of literature called Erotic Literature? Been around for a long long time now, and is just accessible as these games are.

*sigh*

Originally posted by free_form

There was f'd up games like this way back in the pre-nintendo times. PLEASE don't say how it's 'disgusting' as if you think this is something new or is the only medium which rape can be expressed in forms of individual entertainment.

Name me a pre-nintendo or even a nintendo video game that was like this? Please. I am not denying it, I am saying that as someone who has been playing video games longer than some posters here have been alive, I havent heard of one.

And I grew up in Hawaii and had access to lots of Japanese video games that never made it into the mainland. We had groups of people in Hawaii that translated and subtitled them for those of us who didnt speak Japanese.

And I dont think anyone here has said that video games are the "only medium" through which rape can be expressed as entertainment. I think what people are saying here is that rape is not "entertainment."

[edit on 14-2-2009 by Illusionsaregrander]

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion

Any idea when is the gay version gonna be out ?

Dont know but in the meantime, you can try 3D Gayvilla (the gay version of 3D Sexvilla)

Well at least ONE result come out of all these arguments: the Rapelay torrent skyrockets.

Originally posted by merka

Well at least ONE result come out of all these arguments: the Rapelay torrent skyrockets.

Ya Im sure alot of trojans and virus infections are skyrocketing as well.

If this game were put up to a vote, no question the thing would loose to the majority of it being imoral and indecent, and would end up on the "to burn" list.

Guess the torrent numbers show how many sick people there are out there too.

Primative...primative behavior, primative attitudes and primative mental capacities.

And some wonder why the world is so messed up.

Good example of that right here alone.



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion

Any idea when is the gay version gonna be out ?

Just play Enzai. I'm pretty sure it has surprise buttsecks in it.

Originally posted by free_form

There was f'd up games like this way back in the pre-nintendo times. PLEASE don't say how it's 'disgusting' as if you think this is something new or is the only medium which rape can be expressed in forms of individual entertainment.

First of all, if this is true, it still does not make it ok! Just because it has been done, doesn't mean it is excusable.

Second, if it has been done for that long, I've never heard of it.

Originally posted by ProfessorRusso
How is a computer game where you see animated characters raping a woman any different than some mainstream r-rated movies that have rape scenes in them?

These scenes are made to depict the act as evil and horrible, while going to great lengths to show it in the most negative way possible.

The game is made specifically for the user to actually join in, frolic in the graphic nature of the game, and get enjoyment from it.

These creators are obviously pedophiles and rapists, even if they haven't acted on it!

You know you can get labeled a sex offender for peeing in public (for us guys obviously)?

I hate to break it to you, but the people who made the game have not committed any crime.

Just because they made a game you classify them as a rapist? I have seen bad judgments before, but this is horrible.

Like a previous poster said - you do not complain about games that promote violence, SEX, drugs, and many more "bad" things, yet this makes you flip?

I have an idea. How about we PROSECUTE THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COMMIT CRIMES?

Why not ban Americas Next Top Model for inspiring a generation of pre teen/teenage girls to become snobby pricks?

Why not ban Grand Theft Auto because it is why we have all these killers in the world?

Why not throw the CEO's of McDonald's for inflicting heart disease upon many people?

My bad. I forgot it is okay for these things to happen in movies but not games.

The next thing that will happen in this country is all games will be banned. Then movies. Then the talk of it. Then the slightest thought of it.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by FritosBBQTwist]

reply to post by spinkyboo


I don't think it could be made any more clear by anyone on this thread or elsewhere that these things are not aimed at children, they are aimed at adults.

Would you give a five year old a kitchen knife as a birthday present? Would you let your eight year old drive in NASCAR? Do you, or anyone, sit down every saturday and watch porn with your nine year old?

Nobody who is defending this game in this thread has ever defended it in the view that it is for CHILDREN.

This whole idea that games are for CHILDREN is as ridiculous as "Anime is just cartoons, which is for CHILDREN".

If anybody actually believes this, it demonstrates a gross ignorance which is painful to witness in its scope.

I have been on the internet for a long, long time... and I've met people who have tastes that are so out of field of normal that most of those who are outraged here would be horrified or terrified.

I must commend you, though, on your measure of spirit as it relates to the person who victimized you... just understand that most of the people who fantasize about how it would be fun to do something aren't the same as the people who would actually go out and do the thing.

I don't believe anyone on this thread is advocating making children play these adult oriented games, or teaching children to rape... so really, this whole moral outrage issue is a thinly veiled reason to hate people who enjoy something different.

It's really about the anger people feel at someone enjoying something that doesn't hurt anyone except for people's feelings... and honestly, people need to grow up and stop letting their emotions and fears rule them. Let other people be who they are, you don't have to like or agree with what they do with their lives, and their lives aren't dependant upon you doing so.

But if you or anyone decides to make it about yourselves, and what you think is moral/right/good and forcibly impose your morality on people who enjoy who they are, you are going to only increase the suffering in the world for yourself and others.

Originally posted by SumnerKagan
frolic in the graphic nature of the game

Graphic nature? Japanese censoring is not exactly subtle, so what you get is some sort of inflatable shimmering hexagonal cylinder that air hump the vicinity of the intended target.

I dont think people realize how simple these games really are, lol. Its not exactly GTA IV production quality.