Rapelay virtual rape game banned by Amazon

reply to post by JbT


But it's a game...granted it's a game where you rape imaginary women made out of pixels but it's still a game. You can't put someone in jail for playing a game that's madness.

We really are going around and around in circles here.

So I'm out.

Peace.

If violent games are acceptable today, what about tomorrow. Will your stance change in the future when we have holographic projection technology that is indistinguishable from real life. Will you still think it's acceptable to murder and rape holographic computer AI characters. To somome looking on, it would probably look like your murdering and raping a real human being. How can anyone believe that violence in any form is acceptable in a civilized society. Where do we draw the line?

Listen, Im not going to argue with you 2.

Both of you seem to be they type of people who will defend these type of people, and frankly YOU MAKE ME SICK.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR RAPE, OR ACTING RAPE SCENES ON DIGITAL CHARACTERS OR ANYTHING OF THE LIKE.

Your never going to convince an molestation victim that your 2 sick twisted thought of what 'freedom' is, are correct. So give it up before you implicate yourself's as RAPE SUPPORTERS in my mind, and I assume others on this thread.

Dont answer me, I wont answer you. This is a statment, not a question.

[edit on 14-2-2009 by JbT]

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
We really are going around and around in circles here.

So I'm out.

Peace.

I'm happy you felt the need to announce that........?

Yes, because the simulation is based off our real life, some of the simulation can be used in real life.

Like the hi-jackers.

However, that doesn't mean you can get benefits from the game to benefit you in real life. You can rob a bank in the video game, you don't have the cash in real life.

Originally posted by JbT
Listen, Im not going to argue with you 2.

Both of you seem to be they type of people who will defend these type of people, and frankly YOU MAKE ME SICK.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR RAPE, OR ACTING RAPE SCENES ON DIGITAL CHARACTERS OR ANYTHING OF THE LIKE.

You never going to convince an molestation victim that your 2 sick twisted thought of 'freedom' are correct. So give it up before you impicate yourself ass RAPE SUPPORTES in my mind, and I assume others on this thread.

Dont answer me, I wont answer you. This is a statment, not a question.

What's with the tone? Can you relax a bit and be an adult if not, if this argument is too much for you to control yourself, it's better off you take that tone elsewhere.

Respect is a 2-way street and your tone is very demeaning and aggressive.

Originally posted by kindred
If violent games are acceptable today, what about tomorrow. Will your stance change in the future when we have holographic projection technology that is indistinguishable from real life. Will you still think it's acceptable to murder and rape holographic computer AI characters. To somome looking on, it would probably look like your murdering and raping a real human being. How can anyone believe that violence in any form is acceptable in a civilized society. Where do we draw the line?

No it wouldn't change in fact i may support it more strongly. If it became so real it couldn't be told apart from the real thing then maybe many women and men would be saved from rape! Maybe many children would be saved from abuse! I would support that technology tomorrow and then carefully watch the crime figures and see the effect it had.

As for violence having no place in a civilized society, i must ask. If someone tries to punch me am i therefore not allowed to defend myself? If i throw a punch back and i not civilized in your view? Should i allow myself to be beaten to death and remain civilized?

Originally posted by kindred
How can anyone believe that violence in any form is acceptable in a civilized society.

Someone obviously do, or we wouldnt have crime period.

Games are for entertainment purpose. A NORMAL gamer dont log onto World Of Warcraft just cause he wants to commit genocide against entire animal populations.

This will not change in the future, no matter how realistic things become. 99.9% of gamers are normal people that play for fun, they enjoy the game for what it is. Then of course, there are those that cant take it.

Seriously, if people are capable of killing because of the "realism" in Doom they're not going to care about holographic projection graphics. They're nutcases with poor graphics and they'll still be nutcases with great graphics.

reply to post by JbT


You can have a go at my points all you like but please don't implicate me as a rape supporter, that is quite libelous. I don't support rape and if you go back you'll find i have repeatedly stated these games are sick and disgusting. If you cannot calm your emotions then this debate is not for you.

If someone commits an act of predatory rape in real life then they should be imprisoned for the entirety of their life. I don't agree with these stupid sentences of 10 years, if someone goes out to rape someone and does then they're far to dangerous to keep in society.

The elephant in the room is....of course, being ignored (Ironic, I know)

But, the reason these poor kids play these video games is because it provides them a friend, someone they can count on, a consistent outlet for their disposition.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

I think your taking the whole female rights thing too far with this rape game. If you read my research you would see all kinds of things are out there, and have been for many years, including gay rape hentai where the viewers are mostly women

Please send a link to any data showing that mostly women enjoy playing rape games and watching rape hentai.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
I think your trying to defend women too much and that's blinding your judgment. While there are so much other sick stuff out there, you only focus on the woman getting raped.

Thats the topic of this thread, now isnt it? In light of that, is it any wonder that in this instance I am arguing on the topic? I did happen to bring up that it would be equally unacceptable if the game was "Gas the Jews, Poles and others" or "Lynch the black people," did I not? So dont patronize me by saying I am only arguing this way because it is women who are the victims. I have argued against discriminatory treatment and violence and attitudes on this board in many forms. From Aborigines in Australia, to discrimination against whites, blacks, and anything you can think of in between.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Even real life porn has women, beating the crap out of men, making them their slaves as some sort of strange fetish.

And lets not forget who the target audience of such porn is. Men.

A friend of mine worked as a phone sex operator for a while, and if you think she liked or approved of, or was not disgusted by the stuff that was said to her, and the stuff she had to say, then you are wrong. She would regale us with stories of the dysfunction she had to deal with. Just because a woman is participating does not mean she shares the joy of it. In many cases, it is an economic decision. Not that I think that was the right decision to make, I would have rather cleaned toilets myself, but she thought it was going to be just "talking dirty." She didnt realize HOW dirty.

And her own background set her up for thinking it was ok to be involved in such an endeavor. She had been molested as a child, and there are many ways one can go after such an experience. Some women who have had a history of abuse become averse to it, and some think that they are "empowering" themselves somehow if they take an active role in it. Some people who are victimized in their lives begin to identify with the victimizers, rather than with their fellows. They try to cast their lot with those who have the most power. You dont only see this with women, either.

pn.psychiatryonline.org...

Pedophiles Often Victims. On the basis of his research over the years, Abel has found that some 30 percent of pedophiles were sexually abused themselves as children. In their studies, Galynker and Cohen have come up with an even higher percentage—60 percent—versus only 4 percent of controls. Also, Cohen pointed out, "Of those who had been sexually abused as children, 30 percent reported having been sexually abused by women, which was interesting."

Just because some women are active participants in rape games is not an indication that these are harmless to most women. (or men) It could just as likely be evidence of trauma already suffered. But you are free to post any evidence you have to the contrary.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack
The elephant in the room is....of course, being ignored (Ironic, I know)

But, the reason these poor kids play these video games is because it provides them a friend, someone they can count on, a consistent outlet for their disposition.

Not sure what you are getting at here. Video games have become highly social. People have video game parties and play guitar hero (a game i hate as i play the real thing), still they have a lot of fun with real life friends.

There are two breeds of gamer.

1. The social gamer.

These people have a life with real people but also love games. They will either centre their lives around meeting others who like games or they will be the more casual gamer. Either way they have friends and the games may actually help them make friends.

2. The hardcore gamer

These people have given up on life, pixels are their friends. This to me is rather sad, the fact that they consider chatting over teamspeak with a microphone as social contact. Still i suppose it's better than nothing.

reply to post by Shinji


Hate to burst your reality bubble, but your living the same reality as the rest of us, unless of course your deluded. If that's the way you feel, then lets open theme parks all over the world where people can get their kicks by raping virtual women & babies. Maybe you can get some practise in before deciding whether you want to move onto the real thing. Maybe when you finished playing your violent games and tried living in the real world, you'll then see that it's spilling over into the real world. Have you noticed the increase in violence lately or are you too busy playing your violent games to notice.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984


This whole degrading women thing is just not going to work as an argument against a fictitious character in a game. I suppose you're also against S&M pornography as it degrades women even though you can find the roles reversed and the man in the submissive role. It's a very blinkered view some people have where they only get offended by one side.

Let me say this S-L-O-W-L-Y for you since you have trouble with discerning what someone IS and is NOT arguing.

Rape, by definition, is not consensual. I dont give a rats butt how consenting adults behave sexually. I dont care if they film it, I dont care if they post it on the internet, and I dont care if they make a game about it.

I wont complicate this with elaboration for fear of confusing you further. Maybe you are the one who should go back and read previous posts.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
And lets not forget who the target audience of such porn is. Men.

No sorry that just isn't right at all. The porn where men are dominated is often watched by women who are into S&M and there are many i can tell you. I have sat in the office of an S&M club talking with a friend watching women go buy with their "slaves" on leads walking to the dance floor.

So this isn't an issue that women are abused, it cannot be as games are made depicting the rape of men by men, men by women and women by women. It's very equal across the board in who is victimised in these games.

I would also question what you consider normal sexually? Because you stated your friend had to listen to all sorts of dysfunction. Whilst i'm sure that wasn't nice i should ask what is sexually normal and considered functional? Go and ask a sex therapist that question and just wait to hear the reply, you'll sit there a while i can tell you

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Please send a link to any data showing that mostly women enjoy playing rape games and watching rape hentai.

I showed my research in the previous page or two. I said Gay hentai which includes rape, that women are the ones who mostly enjoy it and watch it. I don't have to go by just statsitics, in my reserach I was on forums and saw many women talking about the games etc.

I don't know what this men against women deal is with you, half truths, men are not all to blame, men and women fantasise, and ALL those fantasies, anything imaginable is out there, and that's ALL they are, fantasies. I'm really tired, I gotta go out, and I said we really are going in circles, no end to this debate. So I'm out, for now anyway.

I'm going to stick to the simple fact that drawing pictures is not a crime, and I will stick by that forever. Putting the creators in prison IS a crime. This is not me defending anyone, this is me stating simple logical facts.


If I'm missing some things you said, sorry, I can't think straight now, I have a huge headache and I gotta go out haha, I'll reread when I get back tomorrow or after. Have a nice day.

Peace.


[edit on 14-2-2009 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Let me say this S-L-O-W-L-Y for you since you have trouble with discerning what someone IS and is NOT arguing.

Erm i responded quite simply to your points earlier about women being treated badly and your seeming view that it is only women so no need to say anything slowly and no need to talk down to anyone.

The games depict the rape men by men, women by men, men by women and women by women. They are clear and equal and no group is victimised more than another. So i have to ask why you even bothered bringing up the women thing when the issue is larger? Yes this particular game is about women but others are not so maybe your stance should be against rape as a blanket argument and no need to bring up women?

Anyway i'll finish now, i don't think there is anything new to add and it's just getting a little to aggressive in this place, which is a shame.

reply to post by merka


I play games too, mainly pro evolution soccer, but I definitely wouldn't call most gamers normal. I find quite alot of people online, especially young people complete idiots and sore losers who are completely devoid of any respect for their fellow gamers. Thankfully older people tend to be more mature and like myself don't take gaming too seriously and certainly don't resort to abusive language when they lose.

I think everyone is defending violent games but completely missing the point. Most young children are affected by violent games and conditioned by them and they are playing them when they shouldn't be and their parents don't seem to mind, even if it makes them violent and this is becoming more and more common. These parents have no morals or ethics whatsoever, but it doesn't change the fact that violent games are making children more violent.

Originally posted by kindred

I play games too, mainly pro evolution soccer, but I definitely wouldn't call most gamers normal. I find quite alot of people online, especially young people complete idiots and sore losers who are completely devoid of any respect for their fellow gamers. Thankfully older people tend to be more mature and like myself don't take gaming too seriously and certainly don't resort to abusive language when they lose.

Well speaking as a young person (am i counted as young when i'm 23?) i don't mind losing at all. IN fact i usually ask how they did it so i can learn it and be better at the game Doing that usually means you end up sticking people on your friends list and i've even met a few people off of games. Last year 8 of us met up for a drink, was great.

Originally posted by kindred
I think everyone is defending violent games but completely missing the point. Most young children are affected by violent games and conditioned by them and they are playing them when they shouldn't be and their parents don't seem to mind, even if it makes them violent and this is becoming more and more common. These parents have no morals or ethics whatsoever, but it doesn't change the fact that violent games are making children more violent.

Yes but you hit the nail on the head and then broke the wood in half! The kids are influenced by games i'm sure, but they shouldn't be playing them. That is why violent games have a large sticker on saying it's 18 rated or unsuitable for kids. This is the parents fault and they should be ashamed.

I said my previous post was my last one but i didn't see your post until i'd done mine, so this is my last one

[edit on 14-2-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I am not going to titillate you with elaboration. And just because I am arguing in a thread that is about, the topic is literally about, a game where women are rape victims, do not assume I care any less if men are the victims. Dont dump your sexist opinion that arguing against degrading or discriminatory treatment of women means I am only concerned with "womens issues" on me.

I have argued pro-male in threads that have begun with discriminatory statements about them as well.

Have you heard of "projection?" Look into it. Your posts are loaded with you projecting onto others what you think they are saying rather than your actually taking the time to see what they are saying. You manage this by ignoring wide swaths of text and picking out one point, then rephrasing it to suit yourself.