SURPRISE! Dems Break Promise: Stimulus Bill to Floor Friday , page 11

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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I've been sending emails. And i've also gotten replies.

Fake, regurgitated replies that are forwarded to anyone with the same issue they are arguing for.

Yeah, they may look at a few but they reply with a big vague email on how and why they did something.

Even with the bailouts they did this. It's not enough to threaten these guys with losing their jobs because so many of them are rich anyway. It's not a real loss to them. They can even lose their jobs and get appointed in another board somewhere.

It's a losing battle man. I wish it were different and i'm sure there are some good ones out there, but they are far in the minority and get tainted along with the rest of the crooks.

The Secretary may reserve up to 650,000,000 to establish a Innovation Fund, which shall consist of academic achievement awards that recognize eligible entities

Fresh Porcine Souse

That is page 438, lines 20-24 of the new *"STIMULUS PACKAGE"* Dear Readers... I challenge ANYONE to effectively argue that the bestowing of 'academic achievement awards" shall illicit a "immediate" effect of job creation.

I would not presume to say that there is not a justifiable argument to be made for recognizing those who excel in their scholarly pursuits, but in my humble opinion, this is a concept that should be funded in a separate appropriations bill.

To those that support this policy... I hope the day comes to pass, that you are able to adjust the focus of your perception so as to accurately reflect the reality of what you have voted into being...

I have read 450 pages into this "Nanny State" legislation. I lament the probable truth that I have seen more of this document than the majority of our elected representatives~



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reply to post by ChocoTaco369

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As I said in my initial post, BH is a level-headed person. In most instances, she is spot-on, even though you may not like it.

I have a difference with her here, though.

reply to post by Snisha

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As has been said before, this bill was declared an emergency bill, but it in no way shape or form will help stop our emergency...

Thank the House Democrats that wrote it.

reply to post by David9176

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Then they aren't getting enough emails to get worried.

Trust me, their ONLY priority is holding on to their power.
We overwhelm them with negative response and they will step in line.

We need to get the word out. Tough as it may be, now is the time to blitz them with a campaign of our own.

reply to post by Leto

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I think a major part of the outrage is the additions to the bill. Hand-written additions that the republicans weren't allowed to see...

This thing was forcefed throught he legislature and it was by design.
We need to stop differentiating left and right... They are both in on it. Good Cop, Bad Cop.
Same story, different sides.
I have often found it amazing how some people excused the Congress when it was controlled by the Republicans and then criticize the same Congress when the Democrats haven't even had half the amount of time in there that the Republicans had!

Stop the damned bickering, it is to the detriment of us all! They are ALL IN ON IT! IT IS ONE BIG F-ING CLUB... AND YOU AIN'T IN IT!.

Oh, but if we look back at the Republican control, we are "looking to the past" right? Bullsnap, we need to start holding people accountable for their actions -period.
Ever wonder why they have two year legislative term limits and four year executive term limits?

I'm not sure, but I'd wager it has to do with this very thing. To DIVIDE US! That way we point the finger at the other crowd and scream "It's your fault!"... No, it is THEIR FAULT. All of them!

reply to post by pavil

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Quick, name the #1 thing that this bill will do to help the average American, be specific......

OO, OO, call on me teacher...
I know the answer.
It will make Americans MORE dependent upon the government for handouts.
Do I get an A now?

reply to post by pavil

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I have never understood the argument that debt is a good thing. You can actually find people that will argue that.
I find that amazing.
It is almost like a cognitive disfunction that is shared by a large portion of our population.
This is what makes me wonder if aliens observing Earth categorize Earthlings into several sub-species. Not to sound out of line here, but there would be two major sub-species - the intelligent and the stupid... Then they would break it down by physical characteristics. Nevermind me, it was just a thought.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

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What happened to Obama's campaign promise of a Tax break for small business owners who hire more people? At least that would have helped me starting out my business, maybe even allowed me to hire more or expand. I just don't see this bailout, oh wait Stimulus Bill, helping me out as a small business owner.

Please someone, tell me what in this bill will directly help me as a small business owner?




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reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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Debt is only good if you can put it to a more productive use than paying off the debt ie you can earn more by investing it than paying the debt itself. I just don't see that to be the case this time with this manner of stimulation. We have lived beyond our means for too long and what do we do? Borrow more money.

Go Figure.

reply to post by pavil

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I don't even think this will be borrowed.....who would lend it to us??

I am sure they are just going to print the money, flood the market, and further devalue the dollar.

reply to post by skeptic1

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True, we will just magically make the money appear by printing it, that's even worse as it will only make matters worse.

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

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What happened to Obama's campaign promise of a Tax break for small business owners who hire more people? At least that would have helped me starting out my business, maybe even allowed me to hire more or expand. I just don't see this bailout, oh wait Stimulus Bill, helping me out as a small business owner.

Please someone, tell me what in this bill will directly help me as a small business owner

There are tax cuts included in the bill for small businesses. Also, depending on what kind of business you own, you may be asked to supply the labor or materials for an infrastructure project or provide other goods or services needed for the many programs being created.

I think publishing the entire bill on the internet would provide the transparency promised by the new administration and would be very beneficial to the American people.

As I understand it, this bill has already been made available, so it's a moot point.

The Senate bill voted on today is not the final one. The House and Senate versions still have to be reconciled, which will require further hammering out and negotiation.

I've no doubt the final version will be made available before it is sent to the White House to be signed by President Obama.

Even then, everybody has their own ideas about what would constitute a real stimulus and what is "pork." No matter what Congress does, there will be unhappy campers. But at least the promise of greater transparency will be fulfilled.

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