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Sorry, I used to work in engineering, and even in the late 90’s they knew they were well behind the foreign manufactures. I drive a Foreign car that is nearly 14 years old, with almost 300K miles on it, and it is showing no signs of stopping any time soon.
fact that foreign vehicles last longer, don’t break down as much, and use less gas.
The same thing happened in the Airline industry, the old companies like Pan Am, and Eastern, who had excessive overhead in personnel folded and new airlines took over the spots that they left behind.
Are you kidding me?
Those guys would get those jobs out of high school, often because a relative got them in there, and would be making $80K to $100K almost immediately, plus excessive amounts of time off, full benefits, and vested retirement after 5 years. People who risk their lives saving other peoples lives for a living don’t get those types of benefits.
Detroit should have started making “Green” cars back in about 2003, but they CHOSE not to, and now want the US customer to bail them out.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
That’s nice to know did you engineer American Cars?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
If so why were foreigners supposedly engineering better ones?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
If not, then what are you basing your qualifications on here say and perspective?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I own three American cars one with 245000 miles on it, one with 125000 and one with 18000 miles.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They corner, steer better, accelerate better, have a more solid feel and hertz rating because of better construction.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
General Motors has designed and given away more safety technology than all the world’s other car manufacturers combined. Chances are your car has some AC/DELCO original equipment parts in it as many foreign companies by high capacity air conditioning systems and onboard diagnostic systems fro General Motors and AC/DELCO.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Please go to your local DMV and ask them to tell you what is the most numerous 15 year old car registered currently with the state, chances are it’s going to be the Pontiac Grand Am.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I believe you believe what you are saying, but I believe you have gotten some very bad information. I have been doing business with every auto manufacture in the world for almost two decades. I know both the domestic and foreign side of the business and the marketing efforts that truly go into branding. The American Manufacturers were solid businesses until the economic collapse.
One of us is missing something major here. The Government DID bail out the auto industry to the tune of 17.8 Billion dollars on December 19, 2008:
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
One word Fiat! Oh alright two words the Citroen. Oh alright three words. The Trabat. The fact is you have a lot less safety equipment, power and maneuverability in Japanese and Korean Golf Cars.
Institute for Highway safety
Large Car: Acura RL
Midsize Car: Acura TL
Midsize Convertible: Saab 9-3
Small Cars: Honda Civic
Mini Car: Honda Fit
Mini Van: Honda Odyssey
Large SUV: Audi Q7
Midsize SUV: Acura MDX
Small SUV: Ford Escape
Large Pickup: Ford F-150
Small Pickup: Toyota Tacoma
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Explain why Toyota sales are off thirty percent and they posted their first loss ever?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Americans need to find faith in supporting America if Americans want America to be prosperous. Frankly I don’t see how a nation could be prosperous if it’s own citizens refuse to believe in what it can do and manufacture and stick with it through it’s ups and downs.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I live in Miami the capital of wasteful spending. It only seems wasteful to the people who don’t live in Miami. This is how it works. I buy from your company more than I need at a higher price than it’s worth. You cut me a check back for some of it off the books. Wasteful spending is what Government and big business is all about. Productive spending is reinvesting profits into growing sectors of the economy.
The proceeds of most organized fraud on a managerial level get reinvested almost immediately back into the economy as most people committ fraud on a small scale to fuel lifestyle expenditures.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The more most people make the more most people spend. That is what keeps the economy moving. People need to make more money and that won't happen not supporting American products or waiting twenty years for America first to create an entire new industry.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Have you used the airbag in your 15 year old car? Does it have one?
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Sorry in America you have to have two airbags minimum. Government law.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I am not even going to start on my beloved Pan Am where you could recline in full sleeping comfort in first class to the smells of fresh meat actually being cooked not nuked and served on China.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Just so you know what really killed Pan Am was selling their Pacific Routes to United and getting into South America about 6 years before it really developed like they expected it would.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Are you kidding me? Why is it you feel a person should not be able to complete school, get a decent job with decent benefits and wages for honest work and showing up on time? Why is it you feel people benefit from having no leisure time and should not have any? Why is it you feel people should not enjoy certain luxuries for their honest work when one man alone hordes half the world’s wealth keeping it out of circulation and had most of it not out of high school but the day he was born. Inherited off of the backs of robbed workers and bilked investors.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
You are angry that one group felt it was better to negotiate harder than another for a real living wage while most people don’t negotiate at all and have no living wage?
I have worked for Ford Motor Co as an auto-worker for over 20 years.It amazes me how a CONTRACT worker makes such observations and judgements.I could make the same ignorant statements.How about the reason our quality was bad for a while was of the incompetent and lazy contract workers we hired because corporate no longer wanted to pay their own workers to do the job? Also those people you are so quick to judge for having a high school education and were pushing a broom,those were workers with over 30 years and their senoirity allowed them to get that job.It is sad and unfair that a person who does not have a college degree makes a decent living with medical benefits and a pension?No what is sad is that every worker does not have those benefits.You think just because you have went to college that makes you better?So what!!!!!! I was in the US Army,does that make me better than someone who has not served?We do not live in a Corporate Fascist State?Do you live in America?Or on planet Earth for that matter?The corporations run the the U.S and the planet as a matter of fact.You claim to be educated and you seem to have missed that one???????!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by defcon5
The reason why the government is does not want to bail out the auto industry is because: 1) we do not live in a Corporate Fascist state, 2) the auto makers will be back asking for money again in 6 months when the last amount runs out. The Auto industry has been heading for this problem for a long time, and I know because I used to work contract for one of them. It used to amaze me that they could afford the salaries and overhead that they generated, and still manage to produce any product whatsoever. They have managed to make it up until now by producing utter crap, disposable vehicles, that have to be replaced every 100K miles then overcharging for them. When the economy took a dump, people could no longer afford the convince of a $40k vehicle that would fall apart after 5 years.
It would take tremendous trimming of fat for the auto manufacturers to become profitable, and they are not willing (nor are their employees willing) to do that. In the auto industry, I have seen people with high school educations, who push a broom, make more (salary, benefits, and pensions) then any of the college educated medical, law enforcement, or rescue personnel that I currently work with, which is quite sad and unfair when you think about it. To be honest I am rather tired of hearing the plight of the poor Detroit Autoworker, who pretty much made the bed he is now laying in.
[edit on 2/6/2009 by defcon5]
Then the universe would have peace, and would be predator-free!
Lets face it, DC is foreign controlled territory now.
All wealth is produced by labor. In today's world labor gets an unfair share, due to parasitical frauds concocted by the wealthy and connected.
And usury, compound interest, "investment products", sitting on top of the pyramid of workers laboring, as an exec or "investor" , and getting a fat bank account, is unearned taking of wealth.
Originally posted by cognoscente
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Look, the responsible thing to do is to find a new industry. Otherwise, billion dollar University subsidizations would do just as well. New manufacturing techniques could be developed, new data could be collected and properly analyzed, and all these things could be transferred to the private sector in the form of interested professors and their students creating new businesses. Bailouts don't accomplish anything. If you really want to "bail out" the auto industry, pump money into making a completely new, indistinguishable auto industry, with entirely different players and a totally different labor market. Don't give the money to the same people. Make a new auto industry! Give loans to people that have good business plans. Risk is mitigated because the taxpayers are funding the whole thing. As soon as those businesses start doing successfully, give the taxpayers a share in the profits in the form of a capital warrant, which the government can refund at any time, and return to the people in the form of a national tax rebate. There you go! Problem solved? It seems simple enough.
The U.S. is incapable of admitting that the world is catching up in industrial and technological progress. It's funny how Capitalism is proclaimed as the pinnacle of modern America until there's actually some level of international competition. Then we renege on our values and become Socialists. How hypocritical.
[edit on 6-2-2009 by cognoscente]