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reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 08:54 PM by Hellish-D
Originally posted by cancerian42
reply to post by Hellish-D

everything we know of is matter or energy. Those are 3d.


Yes, but they are also 2D, 4D, 8D and 10D, depending on how we look at them. We can only physically perceive 3D, so that's all we see.

A painting, you can say looks 2d, but it is still material 3d. What do we have to base the idea of there being a 2nd dimension on, if all we know is 3d? It is a concept that has no basis in reality. All matter has 3 dimensions...what could possibly have only 2?


Let me ask you this,

What if our world existed as if it were painted on a canvas of a material of a higher dimensional plane (4D)? An observer of that higher dimension would ask the exact same question, would he not?


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 08:07 AM by theresult
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No you miss understand my statement ¬_¬ i said there is NO 2d...

if you fly about in a 2d plane it AUTOMATICLY becomes 3D... why? Becouse ur INSIDE IT "a box"

if you view a circul and you INSIDE IT ie a so called 2d plane then it becomes 3d becouse you are inside it "so it gives rise to infinity"

some people need to get a clue and do more math!!!

or go read my posts on infinity symmerty


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 08:37 AM by Volatile
Originally posted by theresult
reply to post by Anonymous ATS


No you miss understand my statement ¬_¬ i said there is NO 2d...

if you fly about in a 2d plane it AUTOMATICLY becomes 3D... why? Becouse ur INSIDE IT "a box"

if you view a circul and you INSIDE IT ie a so called 2d plane then it becomes 3d becouse you are inside it "so it gives rise to infinity"

some people need to get a clue and do more math!!!

or go read my posts on infinity symmerty


Problem with your idea is, if the plane is 2D and you sit inside it... Then it isn't really 2D at all. It's been 3D from the beginning.

A circuit can never be constructed as 2D either, so there's no way that can ever be considered less than 3D.

Mainly you're saying that 2D doesn't exist. Well, you are somewhat right... Because it's impossible to actually construct something in only 2-dimensions in our own universe. Even Paper is 3D, but just has a very small height. Come to think of it, we have no 2D constructions in our world... So no, 2D does not exist... You are right about that.

However, the math proves there is such a thing as 2D. Thus, it does exist. You leave yourself with a paradox.

It is proven to exist, but it can never be constructed and percieved. Sounds kinda like an atom on the subatomic scale.

Edit: It made me think. What if we've misunderstood the timeline of dimensions? What if we're supposed to go backwards and not forwards... Nevermind.

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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:19 AM by theresult
reply to post by Volatile


However, the math proves there is such a thing as 2D. Thus, it does exist. You leave yourself with a paradox.

Nope, wrong

2d = infinty no paradox, only understanding!!!

you see the reason it shows up in math is becouse you are alive thats all.

its not complex

Mind you it took me 20 years lol!!

math 4tw! "and i still think math is flawed" hehe

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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:36 AM by Volatile
reply to post by theresult


Ah, I actually kind of get what you're saying.

It's like in maths. If A = 0 and B = 0, then B has 5 times more than A. And A has 5 times more than B. But neither of them have nothing.

That's the mathematical notion of zero... Indeed flawed, but works :

I'm just more of a physics guy than a mathematician. Nothing beats putting on the ipod with hard rock/metal and reading a good book about quantum mechanics.

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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:41 AM by Hellish-D
Man, I'm gone for half a day and this thread has jumped back into philosophy and complete misunderstanding of physical concepts.

The idea of the 4th spacial dimension as time is not really accepted. People are confusing it with the concept of spacetime, in which time isn't a spacial dimension at all, but rather a mathematical model in which time is added for 'flava' as it were.

I didn't watch the films, but if what TheSingularity is saying about Dr. Quantum's claims of the double slit experiment are true, then we can pretty much toss the rest of the stuff out the window right now, since wave cancellation is a very *very* basic concept in physics. Hell, if you have a pair of noise canceling headphones you're basically using the exact same concept, since both light and sound have the properties of a wave. (for more info, go to the sony store and look at the back of the package of a pair of noise canceling headphones.)

'This part is directed at theresult: We do change the states of other dimension, and other dimensions do change our state. One of the more popular theories on gravitation, for example, states that the reason that gravity is so much weaker that the other 3 quantum forces is that its effects are dispersed throughout the remaining dimensions, causing it to be diluted from our perspective. Therefore, our existence as simple massive bodies (each with our own gravitational pull) is an example of 'us' effecting other dimensions.

Science ftw.


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:49 AM by theresult
reply to post by Hellish-D


I have agreed with alot of your posts i was just trying to show there is no "phyical" 2d space...

The only reason we see 2d in mathmatics is becouse you are alive

I do understand the concept you are getting across in you valid statement, but you fail to make the case for the reason why we see infinity and symmerty in nature and why the world is infact round ; )

math loops thats the problem and we are its yang

you can not have infitiny without being alive they are both part and parcel of the exsitence of the known universe..

happy to debate science vs math anytime


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:55 AM by Hellish-D
reply to post by theresult


Well, there's the fish in the pond analogy, but I'm on my way to class so I can't get into it now.

Latres.


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 09:55 AM by theresult
Originally posted by Volatile
reply to post by theresult


Ah, I actually kind of get what you're saying.

It's like in maths. If A = 0 and B = 0, then B has 5 times more than A. And A has 5 times more than B. But neither of them have nothing.

That's the mathematical notion of zero... Indeed flawed, but works :

I'm just more of a physics guy than a mathematician. Nothing beats putting on the ipod with hard rock/metal and reading a good book about quantum mechanics.

[edit on 9-2-2009 by Volatile]


That's the mathematical notion of zero... Indeed flawed, but works :

zero is real its has a value and that value = infinity and the only reason we have zero is becouse we are alive.. WE are the zero ect



reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:05 AM by theresult
reply to post by Volatile


Well thats the reason we have quatom phyisics

becouse 0 has value!!! its not just a zero its saying in very real mathmatical terms that SOMETHING makes up the zero in the first place

order from chaos ect

But then the other funny part is quatom physics is still logical once you get past the qautom level

once we do that then we will kick the universes ass in a big way infact when we do get past the quatom level

we become gods in our own right becouse we have passed a level of understand of math or atleast its underlying properties ect

math obeserve
quontom math obeserve
ecsotic math obsever = < this level affects the basic math we understand

btw my fav subjects are math and quatom physics hehe



reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:29 AM by theresult
reply to post by Volatile


ok ill try again, its hard putting into words when i can see it in my mind/..

Im kinda like the telsa of math LOL!! here goes

2d is not a real thing in a respect of a phyical object

But its real in an equation becouse its us being alive and going down the loop

ok think of the paper thing we talked about befor.. that little thing on the vid the 2d object

in ITS mind its 3d becouse thats all it knows!! BUT the 2d aspect is its BEING THERE? kinda get wat im saying??

2d is only real becouse its the result of being alive

2d is looking down the tunnle of your very life.. now thats not a real anolgy or the best i can come up with lol

i should infact do a picture it would make more sens if you could view it..

infinity is just us being alive its a by product of life.. you dont get one without the other.. and thats were 2d comes into play.

if im still not getting my point across ill try again

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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:36 AM by theresult
reply to post by Volatile


hmm not its life but its the by product of being alive

its like if you put a rock into a lake it ripples... forever!! becouse you affected the lake

we are the rock the lake is the universe..

kinda get wat im saying?
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