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reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:06 PM by jam321
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We're supposed to be voting for these assholes and saying how we want OUR taxpayer money spent.


you got it wrong. We may vote them in but we vote them in to serve their represented areas to the best of their ability in addition to America as a whole. They are the ones who decide where to spend money and what policies to follow or implement. There is no way they could handle 300 million different opinions on how things should be done. If you don't approve of the job they are doing you have every right to cast your vote to get them out.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:08 PM by lunarminer
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We are a representative Republic only as long as the majority of the people keep informed and engaged in the workings of government. This has not been the case for the past 50 years.

Ronald Reagan came close to turning the situation around for a few years, but somewhere in his second term the public switched off and they have not switched back on.

So, the politicians get away with raiding the treasury and rewarding their buddies with the money. I don't see anything that is going to turn it around.

You may think that Barack Obama has the potential to turn it around. I hope so, but I think that most people have already switched off again.



reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:09 PM by jsobecky
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Originally posted by Darky6K
Originally posted by jsobecky
The fact that there hasn't been another attack should be answer enough.


Bali, London, Madrid, Chechnya, Russia, Israel numerous times, the cells in Canada they haven't been able to find. Yeah, al Qaeda was destroyed as Bush said it was. No, in fact all we did was piss even more people off instead of rallying potential allies. Nice move.


Those incidents are the problems of those countries. Were they as tough on terrorism as we were, maybe those incidents would have been avoided.


Yeah, you can count the number of barrels of Iraqi oil we have received on one finger...


You never read about the 1972 Oil Crisis did you?


I lived through it and sat in the lines for gas. Did you?



Didn't the Republicans say to all of Bush's dissidents we're at war and we should stand blindly with the President, and to not do so is disrepsect to the Office? I can spin this around too.

Nope. Never saw those words. Give me a link.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:13 PM by jam321
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Darky, I am not saying that there aren't corrupt people in government. I am just saying that a government does what a government wants to do, regardless of what its people think. Sometimes it is for the best of the country and sometimes it isn't. Unfortunately, we may all be dead before we ever truly discover which is which.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:18 PM by lunarminer
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You said, "Yeah, 'bring it on' is a great display of intelligence after an attack."

Is it your opinion that the statement "Bring it on", made al-Qaeda hate us worse? Or are you worried that it hurt their feelings?

I for one like a man who speaks like a man, especially when he is headed to a fight. Can you imagine if he had said, "Gee, I hope they don't hurt us."

Face it, some of you folks just hate Bush and it has nothing to do with anything that he did. It goes back to Florida in 2000.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:25 PM by loam
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Originally posted by jsobecky
...He had Congressional oversight, which was employed liberally (no pun intended).


You see 'oversight'. I see complicity and negligence. Moreover, there is ample evidence Congress was lied to much of the time anyway. So 'oversight' as a characterization really starts to become a stretch.

Originally posted by jsobecky
I do not agree that we as a nation have been weakened at all. Remember, these were uncharted waters that we were cast into. The American public was protected and made safe.


No... History is filled with examples of nations feeling threatened and applying solutions far worse than the threat.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Nothing he did cannot be undone if deemed unconstitutional.


Perhaps. But our legal traditions require a measure of perceived permanence. It is why precedence plays such a prominent role in our form of governance. Monkey with that and you eliminate the one characteristic that distinguishes our society from most of the examples attempted by humans over the last 6000 years.

Originally posted by jsobecky
But I respect and welcome your thoughts and comments.


Ditto.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by loam]



reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:38 PM by LeTan
Originally posted by jam321
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post by Darky6K



Darky, I am not saying that there aren't corrupt people in government. I am just saying that a government does what a government wants to do, regardless of what its people think. Sometimes it is for the best of the country and sometimes it isn't. Unfortunately, we may all be dead before we ever truly discover which is which.


A government? Or a corrupt government? A government that we were supposed to have isn't supposed to do what it wants, it's supposed to do what the people want. The people make the choices, the government abides. This is why we HAD powers to remove government, we still do, but the ammo is being taken away slowly.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 11:49 PM by lunarminer
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He did not say "Bring it on" during the attack. He said it four weeks later, when we were about to take it to the enemy. The press asked him if he was worried about foreign terrorists would flock to Afghanistan.

Considering that we lost less than 200 troops in toppling the Taliban, I would say that either his words scared them, or they gave us all they had and fell short. Either way, I see no problem.

You seem very defensive on my response.
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