Originally posted by anyone
People have gotten so bloody jaded and lazy.

Jaded? With good reason.

Lazy? Look at who is being lazy.

- During the campaign Obama promises to change the world.

- After being elected, Obama suddenly says ... uh ... I mean .. uh ... that you all ... uh ... have to do the actual work. I am ... uh .. just going to ... um ... inspire you.

- In 2012 if everything isn't all rainbows and unicorns he will point to his minions and say it's their fault for not doing enough.

- In 2012 if everything has changed then he'll run for reelection on that claiming that HE brought change.

Since you brought up LAZY!!! It's OBAMA that's being LAZY !! He's having everyone do the work for him.

BTW - I already volunteer. I don't need the gov't forcing it down my throat and I certanly don't do it so that The One will get reelected.



[edit on 1/20/2009 by FlyersFan]

Should we be worried that he is just starting out and we already have people making excuses for his performance, or lack thereof? Are some of us here honestly going to blame the current situation on the people of this country who have ZERO say in how the laws are passed?

The responses in this thread are the exact reason the United States is the way it is today.

Divided. Divided. Divided.

It is easy to understand why people are upset with Bush's administration. It is over, and we can reflect. We can SEE what he did wrong.

But there is a die hard crowd of Obama haters who have already sold it in on the guy, with not one second served.

There is something inherently wrong about that. I'm sorry you don't see it.

For once let just all put down the mud and act like AMERICANS and not Democrats, Republicans, Atheists, Christians, etc...

I'M NONE OF THE ABOVE... I AM AMERICAN....

I wish my countrymen truly felt the same

slicobacon, I didn't make any excuses and I didn't use the word or the idea of fault. Responsibility does not equal "fault". I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
slicobacon, I didn't make any excuses and I didn't use the word or the idea of fault. Responsibility does not equal "fault". I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.

You know quite well what I'm talking about, and now you'll try to talk circles around it. IT IS NOT UP TO US! WE HAVE NO SAY! When Congress (Obama included) passes an economic bailout costing the PEOPLE hundreds of billions of dollars with no oversight and a public approval rating of less than 30%, do not say IT IS UP TO US!
The Democrats have held Bush responsible for everything from Iraq to the southern border and thats fine - thats what he signed on for. But now, day 1 - its suddenly OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
BS- I am not responsible for anything that is going to happen with this administration.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, the change and the hope and all that. Who you going to blame now that Bush has retired?

And in every one of those quotes, he talks about "Let's", "us", "you and I", "we", "a few million"... Never, "I promise to change the world".

Thank you for getting all those quotes to prove my point. Oh, I have no doubt that we can and will change the world. But Obama never promised the HE would do it. He's counting on us. And I, for one, am not going to let him or my country down.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Never, "I promise to change the world".

It was directly implyed that a vote for him was a vote to change the world and that only with him as leader would it happen. That's ABSOLUTELY what he was saying.

all those quotes to prove my point.

Only in your dreams.

He's counting on us.

I'm sure he is. He can't get reelected without the free labor.


This is pointless.
You see what you want to see.

- OUT

Change in america takes more than one individual, even one that happens to hold the most powerful seat in the world. How did we find ourselves in this mess? Well in part the vast majority of the country at one time supported the policies that lead us to this state... Bush and cronies would not have been able to lie to the public, to mislead, without the support of americans.

Now Obama never promised to "change the world"... maybe some of his supporters have... but not Obama. Some supporters of the right considered Bush a message reciever of God .. Palin said so herself .. Ron Paul has his crazy supporters who think the world of him... that doesnt necessarily mean everybody agrees... and ironically you folks go on about this "messiah treatment" of Obama. The fact of the matter is that Obama has asked all of us to contribute if we want change in america, because that is how the nation moves... one president aint enough.

I feel sorry for many of you, in denial of what has happened under an administration you use to so whole heartedly supported... The lies and mishandling from a president many of yall most probably considered a saviour to the conservative ideology following what was a good look for Liberals during the 90's. The fact of the matter is that it does no good continuously bickering over another candidate yet to implement his policies and do further harm to the nation... no good goes from just bickering for partisan and cultural reasons ....

When Obama messes in his term, then by all means you have reason to bicker then, but for now, with a new president who just took over the nation with a whole lot of crap left from the last administration, with a president yet to cause any further harm, with somebody yet to implement any harmful misleading policies, I think its only fair you fellas starting sucking all the garbage up and start discussing the relevant issues you feel need to be doubt for the next 4 years.

And by the way.... great to see my candidate become president! Hopefully we can all work together for a better america.

[edit on 20-1-2009 by southern_Guardian]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
It was directly implyed that a vote for him was a vote to change the world and that only with him as leader would it happen. That's ABSOLUTELY what he was saying.

Im sorry can you please reference where exactly he said he'd change the world? come on now... If he "ABSOLUTELY" said it, please show us when and where. From what I recall the man promised change in america, and thats exactly what his going to do, change policies and change the way he handles the economy...

Aint you fellas arguing about the changes he intends to make... doesnt that prove that yall agree his change?

Only in your dreams.

For some reason you folks think simply saying things or getting information off some propaganda blog is evidence enough.... I mean in your dreams

I'm sure he is. He can't get reelected without the free labor.

Yes.... lord knows us darn americans should sit back, complain everyday and not think up solutions for the mess we got ourselves into over the last 8years.

Gee.. leave to the one president in power... we did that in the last administration... that went swell.

This is pointless.

Having any decent debate with the relative issues with you fellas is pointless. Why the hot head? Theres always a new "hot headed" thread from you fellas about a guy yet to do what you folks say his done... I mean where is all this misguided anger coming from?