OMG! California controller to suspend tax refunds, welfare checks!

reply to post by NightoftheComet
You are obviously here to flame and inflame?????? I would be careful , you could start a very ugly fight here.
After everything Bush & "Co have done, how could you even ellude to this excrement for a statement??

Obama doesnt even have a foot in the door yet..........

reply to post by Europe


I would have to agree... Sell some of that silver to pay your bills. That's what you saved it for. If everyone defaults on their bills who is left employed?

I guess we will have to learn another lesson here... I suspect if the Union does break up you peole on the left coast will be taken over by the mexicans. I say so be it....

Personally I wouldn't come to the aid of any one in that state. You people are so far removed from reality its laughable.... If it were me I would be marching on the capitol for my tax money.

As long as you have your green cars, leftist whackos coming out of berkley and your 6.00 coffee I guess you will take anything...

What is wrong with you people?

reply to post by interestedalways

OMG! well, what have you been telling me about your intuition???? i believe it is here. there are many states looking at bankruptcy. i am certain other states will follow suit.

starred and flagged.

Originally posted by northof8
reply to post by Europe

 

I would have to agree... Sell some of that silver to pay your bills. That's what you saved it for. If everyone defaults on their bills who is left employed?

Well this is the point, the State of California is not paying its Bills!!!!

Who is going to cut of their electric or payments?

These people were voted in why are they still in office?

Many business and services that are employed by the State will not get paid so people wont have wages, can they cut off anything to the state in punishment?

Will the legislature not get their fat paychecks and perks?

Will taxs snot be paid on the wages being witheld?

Personally I wouldn't come to the aid of any one in that state. You people are so far removed from reality its laughable....

You think the most populous state in the USA is full of only people removed from reality?

The reality of not eating or getting paid is a very stark one these people are living through right now.

If it were me I would be marching on the capitol for my tax money.

I do agree with that.

As long as you have your green cars, leftist whackos coming out of berkley and your 6.00 coffee I guess you will take anything...
What is wrong with you people?

Mm maybe the Leftish Wacko's were not strong enough in their actions against the Neo Con and Republican thieves on the HILL who have raped them of their Money and given it to their Friends in the banking business.

The only thing wrong with them is the misery reigned down now by the actions of Capitalism, lies and Bush and Co with his friends at the Fed, coupled with the cost of a huge war to avenge his Hallucinatory idea God is talking to him.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 17-1-2009 by MischeviousElf]

reply to post by dgtempe


This mess goes back further than Bush. Once the Chosen one (Osama)is in office its his... Barney Frank was the pupet master of this whole financial mess and he is what? A leftist democrat...

Osama owns it all on the 20th and its all his fault just like 9/11 was Bushes fault even though that stunt was planned during the Klinton years..

The funny thing is the same people in California looking for a hand out are the same type of people that Osama is.... Tax and spend liberal loons. They will take from the middle class to pay for this mess. Then end justifies the means...

I hope the politicans have a bug out plan when their subjects are without food and the mexicans are marching on LA.

reply to post by MischeviousElf



So what you are saying is that this is someone elses fault? Typical in todays society. Blame and entire states tax and spend policy on Washington.

This is typical liberal double speak. Who are you going to blame once the Chosen one takes office? Bush? Neo Cons? What a joke...

Do you seriously think that it was one political party or another that did this to the American people? No it wasn't just a political failing. People are falling for this hook line and sinker when it's not entirely Bush's fault, hes being painted as the bad guy, being in the wrong position at the wrong time.

The ones that this board calls "The Elite" are the ones making a killing off of this depression. They are well hidden. When people started asking the wrong questions, they put up another sacrificial lamb, that person was Bernie Madoff. Do you all seriously think that he could have gotten away with the largest ripoff in human history alone? He is a sacrificial lamb by the Elite, the ones who are profiting from the downfall of our economic climate.

Let's not forget that part and parcel to this entire scheme is 9/11 where "terrorists" managed to strike at our economic power base located at the WTC. This entire thing is a set up. A massive set up to bring the poor and disenfranchised into line with the NWO.

The first place that our governments (the elite) want to cut is spending in education, why? cause an uneducated public is more easily controlled. Social services are next, a culling of the herd as it were. Let the poor and sick die. They aren't useful or productive. Keep people poor, keep them dumb, and keep them fooled is the way that monarchies have ruled for thousands of years. An educated public would see what is going on, but en masse a dumb public will fall for any scapegoat that the governing body throws out at them.

It's happened in history before, its reoccurring now. The only difference is who are going to play the part of the Visigoths in the next sacking of the proverbial Rome? Perhaps it's the people that this country has used and abused for the longest time, those that feel and have been duped into coming to this country illegally and working under the table for peanuts, just trying to make ends meet for their families back home.

Breaking the backs of the working class in order to prop up the wealthiest 1%, is the tried and true method in world history to keep power and subjugate the masses. History is truly a window to the future.

Remember Nero was widely accused of starting the fire that burned Rome.

Meanwhile the PRIVATE institution the Federal Reserve gets fatter and fatter and the NWO get closer to achieving their aims.

[edit on 17/1/09 by PuterMan]

reply to post by Asherah


Heres the thing, the professional monetary welfare parasite types know exactly when the monies come in , they are the ones extracting the funds before regular people who really need the assistance can even get in the que to ask.

And to everyone, when did ssi and government checks become a state issue? It is all funded by the Federal assistance programs and ss. The checks from welfare even come with the federal treasury stamp.

If what calif. owes in one month is several billion dollars, I do not see how bailing them out is going to help. The next month is going to be just as bad if not worse with all of the new layoffs. Thousands of famous named stores are closing their doors this year, and with them people in all walks of life will loose their jobs.

This has been a strategic move and we have been watching it unfold and discussing it for years. I am glad to know that most of us has a little put back, but it will never be enough to see us through.

This is where HAARP comes in to ruin any potential crops you may try to grow, with fllods and storms, winds and drought. Where Federal agents bust down the doors of small family local growers to shut them down from helping individuals and supplying to their communities.

American genocide. It will affect every walk of life and what you have is not certain to remain yours. If you go by the addage of "Out of my cold dead hand", then you will die by your own words.

It will be first the cities then the countryside, but reset assured we are all in this together and only time will tell who will survive.

2 words, johntitor and D4rkkn1ght...

Things are already bad enough here. There are more people begging on the streets than I have ever seen in my area before. And they seriously want the money to eat. I see them run straight to the food after someone drops them a few bucks. I used to be more than happy to kick back a few dollars to them, but now with so many asking I find my myself saying sorry I don't have anything for you more often than not. Nearly every store or restaurant that I go into has a poor soul begging for some food. Nearly every exit on the freeway has a panhandler now. Some of them are getting more and more aggressive, too.

Schwarzenegger may not have done anything positive for me, but I can't say I blame him for the economic mess. Gov. Davis left him a mess of a budget to start with and the overall economy is not helping any.

I am seriously thinking about leaving the u.s. before the action really starts. I just wonder how bad the SWHTF in Japan.

I just cant get off this thread. Thoughts are comming to me like, if the electric goes out, then it will be time to start putting kids in government sponsored 'homes' for their own safety.

If Calif. goes down first, it wont be the little mexican kids that get taken, it will be the cute little surfer kids, the American born ones. The ones that were spoiled by the credit bubble, the ones whos parents think they were safe from poverty, they will be the ones to suffer the most.

The people living in boxes now, dont have any distance to fall and they will be the leaders of the new tent cities. When they see the rich people coming in, anyone with anything, they are going to HATE them and their kids, they will enjoy watching them fall.

If they have a good coat, a descent pair of shoes, they will loose them.

I feel for the members here that think they are above all of this and that California, the disabled, the blind the Injured American homeless vets, the elderly, the children, somehow deserve what is coming and in all truth they see them as their shields, that the powers that be and the welfare parasites will be so busy with them it will buy them a little more time to do what they need to survive.

What if we here start finding others of like mind who may for instance live in the deep woods, and could take in a family or two when it gets really bad? I have already made a few good connections with people that know where to come and what their responsibility will be in SitX. Their immediate families are welcome too. I donr know if it will come to that, but they know who they are and that they have been welcomed.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
California is the highest taxed state in the Union. You have to be kidding me 10% OF ALL INCOME over 40k. Definately a failure of leftist economic policies. Too much spending.

Am I right that in the US one pays 10 percent at most regarding wage taxes?? Wow. I am Dutch and do you know what we have to pay?

The first € 3.435 are not taxed for anybody. This amount can be higher if you have children and so on. From then it proceeds like this:

on the first € 17.319 33.6 percent
€ 17.320 to € 31.122 41.4 percent
€ 31.123 to € 53.064 42 percent
above € 53.064 52 percent

Now those are percentages!

reply to post by whatukno


I did not star your post.

America was built from the backbone of our democracy, the American farmer, the factories the American dream.

For years there has been Farmaid and such crying out trying to tell the world that we are being ripped off and our dreams becoming a nightmare.

For some the new global elite is anyone with a regular paycheck and a roof over their head.

reply to post by northof8


Hold on a second...I will be the first to say that California is full of liberal/socialist idiots. BUT obviously you don't fully comprehend the size of California. I'm third generation in California (actively trying to get out) and I'm from Northern California which is unique in itself. There are factions of us here that would have loved to split the state North and South. There are a lot of conservative people in the Northern areas. Our problem is we have huge population centers like Los Angeles metropolitan area and the San Francisco Bay area that are densely populated with liberals that outnumber the conservatives. I persoanally feel like a colonialist preparing for revolution here. I would just say please don't condemn every person in California...Believe me you have allies here, a resistance of sorts.

Originally posted by antar
America was built from the backbone of our democracy, the American farmer, the factories the American dream.

Oh boy. The United States is NOT a Democracy!!!!

It is a Democratic Republic.

Each and every US citizen is to blame. NONE of us stood up and said NO MORE. We ALL became complacent and allowed Government more and more power, in fact, in many cases we even ASKED for them to take over control of things we didn't feel we could control.

We gave up liberty for security. We forgot that WE are the ULTIMATE check and balance in our governmental system.

Not just the current generation but the previous generations too.

As much as I call my senators and reps (the secretaries know me by voice now) and raise HELL over everything I don't agree with - I still admit I am not nearly as active or aware of what they are doing to us right now (or in the past) as I should be.

And if I can say that - I am pretty sure that most of the rest of the US Citizenry can too.

Once we ALL accept that we are to blame, then and only then will we rally up en force to stop this wreckless and out of control monster that we call government.

So quit blaming the banks, and the politicians, and the Wall Street traders and the oil companies and the FDA and whoever else you tend to blame and go look in the mirror. Throw some blame at what you see there.

Then we can figure out how to start the process of fixing this mess before we lose everything that brave men and women fought so hard for 233 yrs ago.

Originally posted by asmeone2
What a sign of how bad things really are.

But the The libertarian smartarse in me says just deserts, it is this kind of spending that got them into trouble in the first place, especially since they allow m illions of untaxed immigrants in each year who draw without putting anything back.

This. Very much this. I've lived here for 14 years..illegal immigration is the main reason this state is broke...besides having idiots running it, of course. But it's not PC to say that. Better to let the state be destroyed, than speak the truth.

reply to post by antar


There was a movie called "Goodfellas" and in it there was a restaurant all of the wise guys hung out it called "The Bamboo Lounge" watch the movie if you don't remember. At any rate due to circumstances beyond the owners control he was unable to continue on his own and so was forced to take a partner. The partner took over completely and used the business' credit till it was exhausted. At this point they "turned the joint out" and burned the place to the ground.

To me "The Bamboo Lounge" represents the USA and it's about to be "Turned Out"

reply to post by redhatty


This is part of the RE-EDUCATION process comrade. Soon the people will no longer be able to form words. Our RE-EDUCATION methods our so powerful that these AMERICANSKIES no longer know that there are three branches of government or even what kind of government they had. ,,,

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


So true - but did get a giggle from the way you said it

Hey California - Your illegal problem may be over...

The Mexican government is launching a loan program to help its returning citizens whose American dreams have been dashed by the faltering U.S. economy.

It is offering Mexicans who are leaving because they can no longer find jobs here the chance to apply for loans to jump-start business ventures in their native country.

"These monies are available so that they don't go home empty-handed and so that they can start their own businesses when they return," said Maria Dolores Gonzalez Sanchez, a Mexican congresswoman from the state of Zacatecas.

Source

Tell all those "undocumented workers" (kinda like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist) that their homeland will PAY THEM to go back.

Even the fleas leave a dead dog.

My Grandpa is an ex farmer, truck driver, he was asked last year to head the Democratic party, he had to decline because of his age and health, but, if you ask him if we live in a democracy, he will tell you yes.