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I Am Under Investigation, in the US, For My Political Views!

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posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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As I have followed this thread I can only shake my head..Why in god`s name can "secret officers" watch and follow someone and after a couple of time make a visit and ask kinda these questions??? I would have answered nothing at all, I would have threw them full with questions.
And although someone has nothing to hide, hey man it`s your private life.

I must admit that I live in Germany and not know laws in USA with covers such operations up but I have few relatives living in the States and Canada and my family roots lay in Palestine/Jordania and Germany..mother is from Germany and my father is a very liberal person who came to Germany in 1960 when he was 18 years.
But things like mentioned from the Thread starter could bever happen such easy here..or could never happen if you are not catched while doing a crime or afterwards.

1 time I had a criminal case although I was innocent..2 from the police did a mistake and thought that I hav broken up a car..2 months later I sat before the judge with my lawyer and 1 time the police officer suddenly not appeared and the policewomen said that she only heard from her boss in the car that he has seen me broken up the car...Next session the policewoman suddenly not appeared..and what the police said (sat 400 meters away in their car at 2:00am) brought the judge to anger and after 1 minute thinking the judge has spoken me free..And the city had to pay 2 judge days and everything else.
but I could run free until the judge..so no prison day...Otherwise I would have got paid for the "not lawfully right" prison days.

That can happen and I was on that night the stupid guy who wanted to walk from a bar-club to my home because it was a nice summer night..Ihey even mad a house searching and that is so long ago now so I lived with my parents...Can you imagine the shock my parents had when the police came in and said that 2 of their officers have seen that I have done a crime???


But things like happened with you I have never heard that they have happened here....We dont have a homeland security thing or similar things like that that you have in the USA.

Bush and his clique has invented so many laws which are against the private life, good that he is no president anymore after the 20th January.

Many Greetings from over the Atlantic..wish you all the best.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English but I hope you understand what I mean.

[edit on 16/1/2009 by samier09]




posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:46 AM
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If this is real you should contact federal Justice officials, there is a federal district attorney for each local region of each state in the Union. Send a Letter to you congressman and Senator as well telling them of your experience.

Tell them exactly what occured and give them the name and identification of the officers that questioned you. Doing nothing can only encourage more actions like this at the local level.

Federal Agencies often need to crack down on local or regional ones for overhanded behavoir and actions, local authorities can be very corrupt and frankly the ones that cause most of the problems restricting liberty and constitutional rights.

Fight the good fight, but in this case let Govt fight your fights for you. Obtaining your own lawyer is incredibly expensive, and feds have much more money and power than anything we can pay for ourselves. There should also be a record of this for your own safety.

You need to push back, otherwise next time they may not end with just questions, there may be further actions.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:53 AM
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I concur.

The OP should utilize the bureaucracy to his own advantage.

The more officials who know - the better.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:57 AM
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Hind sight is 20/20 so when looking back at the situation I should have been more thorough in my fact gathering of the investigation. Now what I am going to have to do is try the front door approach and see what I can get out of the OSBI by going through the red tape. I would really like to know the truth about what is going on. My only concern is that I won't know anymore information unless I get questioned again.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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Wow you sound dangerous i better keep an eye on you too. Thank goodness for spying



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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it sounds like big brother and action movie; it is no nice feeling to be watched;
they may be just wanted to be sure you are no danger


in eastern germany it must have been terrible for them; observed by the stasis and undercovers , who pretended being good friends

i am sorry for your uncomfortable time; you need may be some time to get back to normal life; try to think of all the good things;
it is just their jobs, to make your country a safer place



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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"My only concern is that I won't know anymore information unless I get questioned again. "

When questioning government officials;

Take their name immediately. Demand it if they refuse - tell them it is a criminal of offense not to identify themselves - as they are government officials....

Should they refuse to answer your question immediately or if they get mouthy - Take their names and tell them you are charging them with obstruction of justice - because they are obstructing justice...

*Tell everyone you talk to that 'this is part of an ongoing investigation into [insert crime]' and that their refusal to cooperate will be noted - then ask them for more personal information.

If they ask for your ID - tell them to 'comply and stop refusing to cooperate.' then remind them of the investigation and then ask for yet more personal information. (just don't ask about kids, wives or mothers)

Treat them they way they treat us. You'll win this one.



[edit on 16-1-2009 by Exuberant1]



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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That sort of stuff where people were tested to see if they are loyal to the Communist party and "country" happened during communism. But I see a capitalist dictatorship is quite similar


Can you provide some evidence of the questioning ? I believe you, but if this story finds it's way into some free media (I hope there is some left), it will be a very big thing, especially here in eastern Europe where people dreamed of the freedom of USA for decades. Let them see what all governments do

[edit on 16-1-2009 by pai mei]



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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it seems so

@leadersofprogress:
do only things you want to be done now, not what others tell you;
you were in the dilemma, you decide to leave it , love it or ignore it



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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How do you even know they are who they claim to be? You should follow up with your p.d. and call the department you say they said they are from and request a documentation of the action that resulted in their visit. Get something that says they had an appointment/order to meet with you.

1. What are your political views?
I don't know.-socialist?
2. What is your view on our government?
they are o.k. but those people under them aren't all that great.
3. Are you anti-government?
no...
4. What are your views on the military?
love them.
5. What do you think of other races?
I am characteristically the target of both racial and gender discrimination.
6. Do you consider yourself a patriot?
No. But I would have liked to be.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:27 AM
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I know it may be a futile attempt but I will try to get any "Public" copies of any documents they have that ordered the investigation. I am not holding my breath though. I doubt very seriously that they will be forth coming with any information that could prove any rights violations.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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I concur also.

At the very least it will afford a great learning experience.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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Oh boy. Welcome to the USSA. And as has been explained in another thread last year, the constitution has not been in effect since Presidential Order 100 (or something).



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 04:03 AM
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They could ask around for information but that would be hearsay.

I am very interested to understand what offence you were charged with?



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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Sooo,,, Anyone that thinks that the government will not do anything, ANYTHING, to protect itself, is fooling them self. We can say anything we want true, just be prepared for the consequences. We have not reached the point of China, where they will take you away and give your internal organs to a sick politician for speaking out, I hope...



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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meh my phone got tapped earlier last year but what do i care.

You know for "the land of the free" it sounds more like a police state.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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I have no problems believing what you say, I for one can attest to the fact that even though I live in a nuclear free country, one that only last year allowed the American Govt to intersept and and all communications, something I was to become a victim of myself.
Now don't get me wrong I found myself on the wrong side of the law, not in a major way, in fact it was what one would term as trivial at best.
When I was taken to the cop shop, I was later on to be given a running commentary on my entire family back ground!
I do not belong to the country I am currently living in, and yes I have family members through marriage that paranoid idiots consider a threat.
How dare the US Govt take a dig at my life, and worse still my families!
This bunch of nasties need to keep their own terrorist tactics to killing off each other, not sending their own flesh and blood to a war created by themselves.
Screw the US Govt, they made their beds, and yet they want every other bloody nation to lay in the # heap with them.
By the way! I am a White, non Muslim Celt from Scotland, and I take it personaly that a bunch of mentaly unstable individuals can pull that sort of # on me and mine.
Pull your heads out your arse, and give that lot the eave #ing ho!



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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The way that you were "turned in" reeks of Orwell!!!
Civilians shopping the other for having independent thought.

Crazy



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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"I am very interested to understand what offence you were charged with? "

Well then I bet you will find it even more interesting to find out that he hasn't even been charged with a crime... As is the case.

*I've Read the Patriot Act 1 and 2 and the NSA wiretapping bill and the John Yoo torture Memos - This isn't Our America anymore; it just looks like it.

Have you read these documents? I recommend you do, then you will see that all of these Unconstitutional Crimes are now Legal thanks to the NeoCon Regime...

I don't even travel to America Anymore.

I never visited the Soviet Union either - and for the same reasons I don't visit America today.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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Unfortunately, the US Constitution is perhaps the greatest threat to a government that no longer follows it.

Fortunately, the vast majority of government agents in the field in the US are still very good Americans who want to follow our traditions of fairness and freedom.

We are not like China or some other oppressive totalitarian government.

Let's pray that never happens here. Let's pray another "terrorist attack" doesn't trigger the Patriot Act.

Bryon




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