Scars of the girl beaten for being English in Scotland., page 6

reply to post by TheSilentProtagonist

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Can I ask why you seem to think that all scots want to be an independant nation?

I am proud to be British, my grandfather was a Japanese POW who had his ship bombed by allies, he survived & was recaptured by the Japs.
People go on about history but seem to forget the fact that a lot of our close family fought in 1 or 2 world wars together as a unified country.

But going back to your question, you do realise that oil revenue accounts for a lot of Britains GDP & if i'm not mistaken most of the oil is offshore Scotland.
So I think if we managed to become independent I think we would be a lot better off than you think.

reply to post by mclarenmp4

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I was making no assumptions that you would not be sir. Just becuase if scotland became independent dosnt mean it would die on its arse.

Indeed yeah i should have been more specific with that question, i was referring really to the devout indepencence-ists and their reasoning behind it, but no im aware that its hardly a clear cut opinion up there.

Its a risky subject and can quite easily lead things off topic, but as some one said already, is there really that much oil left to profit from? And whats to stop of just being hoarded by the big oil companies, to whom national boundrys matter little...

reply to post by TheSilentProtagonist

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I can understand why a lot of scots would like independence but it has little to do with the hatred of the English & the fact that the British government has used Scotland as a testing ground for bad policies.
It's only been recently that the Tories have managed to regain a seat in Scotland after Maggie Thatcher decided to test the Poll Tax on us.

With regards to the oil, yes you are correct that the oil companies are the people making the serious money out of it but the government get plenty cash for licensing the fields. Also there is still at least 20-30 years worth of oil still to be discovered in new wells, it's just that it takes a bit more effort to get it out of the ground.
What we are finding is that the Shell's & the BP's have moved on because they need to have a certain amount of barrels per day to stick to their business model, most of. Most of the BP & Shell wells have only taken about 60% of their capacity, with new technology the smaller producers are able to get up to 90% of the wells reserves.

I don't think Scotland would do too badly if we were independent as we have a small populace & a vast amount of natural resources. We are also pioneers in technology so again I think we would actually be better off financially if we separated.
But I don't agree that it's in our best interests to do this, as I said previously I am a proud Brit & a Scotsman, we are stronger as a country unified than not IMO.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
As for Scots in general being any more racist or intolerant than the English, that I contest. We get plenty of "America bashing" threads here started by our English members.

Not just English members, any non-U.S. members...and even some U.S. members. It appeared the world was unified in their hate against the U.S. given what we see on ATS, but I guess mere perception is not reality.

On my trip to England to visit a friend, I noticed there was an English flag hanging from every window, car and door. I said, "Wow! I had no idea England was so patriotic!" He said, "They're not. It's football. A day after England loses the World Cup, they'll be gone". A few days later, he proved his words to be true. If it isn't flags we'd find a reason to fight, like over sports:

At least 40 South African blacks were killed at a soccer match today 50 miles southwest of here, as police announced the arrest of 10 suspects in a massacre of 35 mourners at a wake Saturday in a nearby township.

Police reported that 40 soccer fans died and more than 50 others were injured after fighting broke out in a soccer stadium in Orkney over a disputed goal. The toll was expected to rise as some of the injured were in serious condition, according to a police spokesman.

Most of the deaths were caused by a stampede at an exit as the crowd rushed to leave the stadium after fighting began between supporters of the two Soweto-based teams.

- www.highbeam.com...

With the invention of the internet, I'm wondering if the global lines will be re-drawn. "Oh? What server are you on?"

[edit on 15-1-2009 by saint4God]

reply to post by saint4God

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i suggest you haven't a clue what you're on about and should sit down and shut up, besides being off topic, you're being inflammatory.

reply to post by mclarenmp4

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Quite possibly you are talking out of your backside.
Aberdonians hardly suffer from a persecution problem, why do you think we would feel that way?

Not sure. Perhaps it's cause their football team get humped by Celtic, or Rangers. Though they do try harder against Rangers...

Also to give you a bit of perspective to the story, Aberdeen is unofficially the european oil capital

Which builds up resentment because the SNP who have a foothold north of Scotland, continually push that the oil is getting stolen by Westminister, hence you see idiots lashing out thanks to ignorant nationalism.

Just because a couple of idiots attacked this poor woman & it's a despicable act, please don't tar the other 250,000 people who reside in Aberdeen with the same brush.

The people who did this would've done it to anyone. It's just a coincedence that she was English. That's all.

Quite possibly you might get treated better if you were from London as there is a general dislike for all things Glaswegian

Not even going to comment on that.

reply to post by Cythraul

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I completely agree with you. I have travelled a lot around the UK working in many different areas & at the end of the day, people in general tend to accept you regardless of your accent. It's just an unfortunate fact that there are idiots out there like the cowards in the OP.

What really gets my shackles up are people in this thread who just dismiss another country & hold their bigotted beliefs based on 1 story. That to me is just ignorance personified.
But we see it all the time on this site whether your muslim, israeli, scottish or american, ignorance & bigotry run amok here.

Originally posted by ANNED
just the thing for the English first they took-over scotland then they forcefully transported a large portion of the highland scottish population to there colonies in Australia and North America. and now the wonder why the highland Scots that are left don't like them

en.wikipedia.org...
www.electricscotland.com...

yeah and that poor 22 year old english lady was a part of that right? no i didnt think so what an utterly stupid generalization of english people, and scottisjh people hate england so much they seem to spend a lot of time in our country when on holiday for example..

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