It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Scars of the girl beaten for being English in Scotland.

page: 8
15
<< 5  6  7    9  10  11 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:09 PM
link   

Originally posted by redled




Yes, and in England we don't beat women for being....... women. It is known that Scots beat their women and so it is acceptable. Scots hate the English, because we persecute them by giving them more settlement in government cash than any other part of our region, but an English flag on a pretty face deserves a Glasgow kiss.

I hate both Rangers and Celtic, but would not dare say so above the border.

Women beaters, mars bars and deep fried hate. Leave them to their filth.


And this is why we openly admit to disliking you. Attitudes like that.

I live in Scotland, my parents are scottish, their parents are scottish - and so on.

Ive always been brought up with "You cant hit a woman", and thats pretty much an attitude commonly held by most men in Scotland.

Fact is you get drunken louts in every part of the UK, ive known people in England to be beaten up for "Being Scottish" - but as everyone knows thats " Drunken a*holes out for an excuse to beat someone up"

And while were known for " Disliking The English " - its "traditional", we dont dislike English people. I know tons of English people living here, including my aunt and two cousins. Ive got plenty of English friends, I dont hate them. (I hate the guy I quoted mind, what a git).

If England got invaded tomorrow, the Scots would be there fighting with you, or atleast wed try before we got told to bugger off by the army and let them get on with it. (Plenty of Scots in our army
)

Note: The " We " doesnt include your average drunken ned/chav criminal type, who will hate anything they want and generally beat people up - but you get them in every part of the UK


Note 2: Ive openly admitted to hating both Rangers and Celtic, nobody really gives a crap.. unless youre part of some roving bank of football hooligans (which england are famous for) , youre not going to get beaten up for saying it.

[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]




posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:12 PM
link   

Originally posted by dawa
And while we "dislike" the English, including me - its not english individuals - I have an english aunt and 2 english cousins, and a ton of english friends, its "The English" we dont like


But if someone were to invade England tomorrow with a message " Right, you Scots keep out of this and youll be fine " , wed be right in the middle with you as fast as we could drive down there.


This is a disgusting statement, an absolute abomination. You have a go at the English and then come up with this? Don't you see the hypocrisy? Don't you understand that you are part of the problem? Don't you get the fact you are distributing hate?

Oh i give up on people i really do.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:14 PM
link   
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
 


When did I have a go at the English? I was pointing out the attitude of the guy I quoted was quite disgusting


Basically saying " In Scotland its common and acceptable to beat up women " , its not common or acceptable to beat up anyone, its against the law for a start.

Plus - The way i see wee " Dislike " the english is , hope they lose in the World Cup, hope their athletes get less medals than our athletes in the Olympics, and hope we beat them in the Rugby!

[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:16 PM
link   
meh, two drunk people attack someone for no real reason -happens all the time, all over the world.

some scotish people hate english people for the hundreds of years of abuse they got, some english people are so snobbish they think they're better than the scots which angers the english hating scots even more, the same sick cycle that goes on all over the world.

this isn't proper racism, its small minded stupidity maybe but it's hardly a hate crime -assalt and battery should get them enough of a sentence when they're in court. esp as it was against a woman.

meh, the english have done enough bad things to scotland over the years and they resent their life being run from london -some big mouth brit comes to their urban slum and starts shooting her mouth off and acting like the queen, she probably could have avoided offending the locals. -that said, the guys ARE very much in the wrong -you don't hit anyone unless you have to, certainly not a 'fragile person' such a woman (sorry feminists)

oh and i should say i don't hate the english, the nation you come from doesn't dictate your character and besides i am english



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:17 PM
link   

Originally posted by dawa
But if someone were to invade England tomorrow with a message " Right, you Scots keep out of this and youll be fine " , wed be right in the middle with you as fast as we could drive down there.




looks perfectly sensible to me, the scots are a bull .ed people, as soon as you tell a scotsman to stay out of something he'll fall over himself to get involved. seriously, try it, "hoi you, keep out of this" almost always leads to a fight in scotland.

[edit on 15/1/09 by pieman]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:19 PM
link   
reply to post by NatureBoy
 


Aye, but none of that is enough "hate" or "dislike" or whatever to warrant someone actually beating someone up :p

A few choice insults between friends who happen to be Scottish and English, or openly letting all yer English chums know youre supporting " the other team " at the football, or rugby. Thats the sort of thing youll find most have, except in a forum debate where the English go on about how theyre in every way superior, then theyll get a nice verbal reaction.




the guys ARE very much in the wrong -you don't hit anyone unless you have to, certainly not a 'fragile person' such a woman (sorry feminists)

I dont think anyone is disputing that it was wrong to hit someone, never mind a woman.

And to pieman - Depends what it is youve to stay out of I suppose.



[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:28 PM
link   
reply to post by DantesLost
 


we are really sorry lucy thank god we are not all like that, the guy will get his in time.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:33 PM
link   
reply to post by dawa
 


oh come off it, you don't think they started a fight because they thought through the reasons? violent idiots fight for all sorts of reasons, i've seen fights kick off over because people support the wrong team, looked at someone the wrong way, wore the wrong clothes, wrong hair style -heck people on motorbikes used to fight people on mopeds!

idiots will look for any reason to fight, it causes a chemical release which makes them feel like big men and eases the pain poverty, uselessness and lack of hope cause to the soul. simple as, until people learn to understand how we really work as biological beings then idiots like this pair will do stupid things with out understanding the reasons.

edit to add: sorry yeah i though it might have sounded like i was saying they were in the right when i gave my opinion of why it happened, didn't want people to think i supported racist attacks against the english (hehe that would really be a bad move for me)

[edit on 15-1-2009 by NatureBoy]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:37 PM
link   
reply to post by NatureBoy
 


I never said they beat her up because she was English, although they MAY have, neds/chavs are the scum of society and will go after anyone for the slightest thing if theyre drunk enough.

What I meant by replying to you was



some scotish people hate english people for the hundreds of years of abuse they got,


that the above generally isnt "violent type hate" or even dislike hate. Its just like when people say " Oh i hate America! " , they dont hate any individual american people. They dont hate old Jim who lives in no.23 random street.

I know loads of people who " Hate the English!!! damn them! ", but not enough to even openly call some random English person a name on the street :p If an old English lady fell trying to get on a bus, im pretty sure most "english haters" would still go over to help...

[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:42 PM
link   

Originally posted by YourForever

I was there.

This is not down to a hollywood movie.



I was there too. I still am.

I never said it was, I was merely illustrating that there had been a rise in anti-English violence that could be attributed to that movie.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:44 PM
link   

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
This is a disgusting statement, an absolute abomination. You have a go at the English and then come up with this? Don't you see the hypocrisy? Don't you understand that you are part of the problem? Don't you get the fact you are distributing hate?

Oh i give up on people i really do.

You're talking like very mild hypocrisy is the end of the world. Guess what, it isn't. Maybe you should put down the Daily Express for a while and get on with your life sans outrage. I know it's traditional for us English to get our knickers in a twist over nothing, but this is a bit much, no?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:46 PM
link   
reply to post by sotp
 



The people who commit violent acts in our society, are the lowest of the low and should be sent to prison.

The problem is "the bad guys" these days get rubbishy little punishments " oh a week of community service for you! " rather than banged up in a jail where theyre actually punished.

The guys who do end up in jail are sitting there playing Xbox and watching TV, getting paid to do a little bit of washing....

The ENTIRE UK , as you might have noticed if youve been watching the news is suffering from a lot of violent crime right now that is being dealt with by giving someone some sort of ASBO or as i said above, some community service. Quite the disgrace.

[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:46 PM
link   
There is widespread dislike of the English north of the border. For some of the Scottish contributors here to deny that fact in order to make Scotland look good on an international forum is just burying their .s in the sand.

The word most commonly used in Scotland after the adjective English is ... bastard, as in "he's an English bastard". That wording is used by folks of all classes, ages right across the country. It's used to their faces, it's spoken behind their backs and sometimes like this case it's followed by something rather more sinister.

Why is that ? It's not as if Scotland is currently at any great financial disadvantage, some parts of England are considerably worse off than even the poorest areas of Scotland.

Employment rates are broadly similar, although more Scots are employed in the public sector than down south. The Scots do enjoy higher public spending per capita than down south, although not so much greater when distances, more rural communities etc are factored into the equation. Mortality rates are similar, with little pockets of misery like Glasgow/Lanarkshire bringing the overall stats down. Scottish education & the distinctive legal system are still highly regarded both within the UK and continental Europe too. Scotland still enjoys a great sense of community, where you can speak to anyone about anything even though you've only just met them in the street in passing. It is a great country to live in. And visit too.

So where's the sense of grievance against our southern neighbours coming from ? I don't even think it's directed at all the English, just some of them. Newcastle, Liverpool, Yorkshire, Cornwall, they're all exempt from the the hate because they're basically us, disconnected from the where the real power lies and basically forgotton about.

The Southern English, the Home Counties it's those people who are despised. The ruling classes, the persons to whom we've been doffing our caps the last few hundred years, the Barbour jacket brigade who come up in their Range Rovers for fishing & shooting and being general pains in the arse, the self same toffee nosed twits who either attend or participate in the Edinburgh Festival in their youth (and how many Scottish acts ever participate in that ?)

End of the day the Scots are no longer prepared to take dictat from London, we're no longer afraid to say that either & if the powers that be don't like it then tough. If that ruffles a few feathers alls good in the world.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:47 PM
link   

Originally posted by sotp
I was there too. I still am.

I never said it was, I was merely illustrating that there had been a rise in anti-English violence that could be attributed to that movie.

Or perhaps something more mundane, like "the benefits of the boom under New Labour aren't filtering down to the very poor as much as anyone else".



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:48 PM
link   
reply to post by dawa
 


no its not chavs, its not any group of people who are lower down some scale than us -no one is scum, thats what causes all the hate in the world - people like you who act like your better than them, they see this and begin to feel like no one cares about them and everyone is down on them, they say sod it and don't care about anyone and thus have no reason to behave well, after all no one is going to give them a chance in life because everyone thinks they're scum -the cycle continues.

people are people- they aren't scum, they aren't evil and they aren't disposable.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by NatureBoy
*blah blah fairy communist pish*

Guess what, poor people can be arseholes too. I know, it shocks me to my LMC core.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:50 PM
link   
Well I didnt think id get away with calling anyone a bastard on the forum :p


Basic point is this, and jBrereton above will back me up here im sure (hes known me for years, AND HES ENGLISH :O )

You English are far too sensitive for your own good " ya Bastard English " , other than when its random thugs out trying to start trouble (and once again you get them everywhere), is generally kept between friends. Id never say it to a stranger, thats rude and quite frankly out of order. Ive said it to Jb there a ton of times, but its just something to try and get on his nerves a bit when hes annoying me :p

The fact is the "hate" isnt REAL ABSOLOUTE HATRED, you dont see me getting some bombs from somewhere, tying it to the front of a cola bottle, shoving a footpump in the bottom and launching some missiles at England do you? :p

The most youll get is a heated debate, followed by - possibly - a chat about rubbish the trains are running at the moment. I might try and twist that to being your fault if youre english. (JBs had that
)



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:52 PM
link   

Originally posted by dawa
You English are far too sensitive for your own good

Why do you hate freedom, Dawa?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 04:53 PM
link   
reply to post by NatureBoy
 


Rubbish, if you cant live without beating someone up, stabbing someone in the face, slashing them or whatever... then quite frankly the world would be better off without you.

Get them off to the jail, a decent jail... where its not a holiday camp. Dont try and blame society for crime, its just a fact some people are complete and utter scum.

I grew up poor, in quite a "rough area" in Motherwell, not far from Glasgow. Council house, people running about without shoes (and this was the 80s and early 90s).... ive never hurt anyone.

My parents worked, they pulled themselves out of poverty. I work, I finished University with a pass and everything....


To jbrereton - I only hate your freedom ! :p P.s thats a one liner, and yer totally going to get warned



Anyway Ill say this to you English

" Come on ya English bastards that ye are! Lets go have a drink like the fine civilised people we are, and mock the rest of the world, and stop this pointless bickering that these here foreigners have got bugger all to do with! "



And a good point here - Youre not British if youre not moaning about something
- " For the Empire! "

[edit on 15/1/09 by dawa]



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:02 PM
link   
reply to post by dawa
 


well go to an old person home or even talk to someone over 50 - ask them if they've seen or heard first hand from people about more violence now than they did in the 70's or 80's....

this massive rise in violent crime is a huge lie, i live in a deprived estate and i work in some 'rough' areas of london but yet i have seen very little crime.

why do you see so much crime? because of the media by any chance? statistics? lol

go back and watch films like 'quadrophenia' or 'scum' then consider if this is the most violent crime spike ever, also football violence has all but dried up -as my football thug friends say gone are the 'good ol' days' when hundreds of people would meet outside every football match and in fight with bats and chains



new topics

top topics



 
15
<< 5  6  7    9  10  11 >>

log in

join