Originally posted by Cythraul
This is IDIOTIC.

Any Welsh, Irish, Scottish or Cornish ill feeling towards the English is completely misplaced. When are people going to recognise the difference between royalty and subject? It's vaster than the difference between an Englishman and a Scot. I can understand the ancestral Scottish resentment for what the English LEADERS did to their forefathers, but the average Englishmen was as far removed from making that decision and truly benefitting from it as can be.

It's as idiotic as an Iraqi despising a Brit. Most of us opposed (and even protested) that invasion. It's our leaders who lied to make it happen, and only they who'll benefit from their warcrimes.

I agree. It always winds me up when you hear certain quarters bleating on about slavery. For Gods sake, firstly it happened to someone else not them and was committed by someone else not me, and secondly back in those days we were ALL slaves (unless you were rich). We had kids working down mines & in factories, people starving to death, flogged, beaten, or hanged for stealing a loaf of bread to survive. We all counted for nothing, it was, as it still is, just the powerful few who benefitted from everyones suffering.

Random acts of violence like this are just terrible, such a crock. That man had no right to put that woman through the pain and stress this has created. All we can do is try to inspire people away from senseless acts of brutality and its in the end the persons choice.

Still this cannot be rationalized, punishment would suffice but the act itself is a question, and maybe alot of yelling from people with a conscious.

ive not read much of the post scince the first few scottish hating posts.

Im scottish, not only that but im from Aberdeen. Im most certainly not a wife beater, and i Do not hate any english people for being english. My personal thoughts are all the england / scotland divide is pretty pointless.

As for the story, in aberdeen as with ANY other town or city in the uk, you will always , and i mean ALWAYS get a few ppl who will attack someone for being different, thats just the bad side of the uk. In uk, papers like the daily star and the sun have both a scottish version and an english version, in the english one you get anti scotland storys like this, in the scottish ones its storys of english people hating on us scots, it was not till i started moving between scotland and england loads and being able to read teh scottish and english versions of these papers every day that i noticed. Scince then i have stopped reading tabaloid papers, as they cause the majority of hatrred between groups of people in the uk by stiring up the average joe with bull crap storys.

I will do as i always do when this subject comes up. Approach it with logic.

Firstly the idea of blaming the English for what happened so many years ago is ridiculous. It would be like me blaming the English for what they did to my Irish ancestors, my father doesn't, i don't. It was to long ago for any of my relatives to remember so why should i be angry?

Secondly, if the scots want to be a separate nation then i am in full support of it. It's their decision. However i would also say if this happens we should cut all funding to Scotland, afterall we shouldn't have to fund a country that wants no part of us. Doing so would not be logical without us getting something in return.

Scotland has dropped a great deal of it's industry, it is now very much based on tourism. Without that it will be in a whole lot of trouble financially.Scots hate us, want to separate but also want us to fund their country. This i admit does make me rather angry, you shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If wern't funding Scotland then they wouldn't be able to support half of the systems they currently have.

You should not take our tax money and then carry on calling us names, talk about us like we're all the same and horrible. It's just not right on any level.

I don't hate the Scottish, Welsh or even the Cornish, so why should they hate us English? Seriously now, the claims in this thread that English people treat others like *bleep* is unfounded and just the same xenophobic talk as the sweeping comments made about scots here.

Goverments are good at causing divisions arent they?

Im English, yet my fathers side of my family are Irish, and I have Scottish relatives aswell. I dont hate anyone, and neither do my Irish or Scottish relatives.

LOL at the guy who said we all still support the Royal Family LMFAO Please mate, dont speak with such ignorance!

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Ive faced this kind of racism everyday for abouit 10 years now the only difference is im scottish and i get it from everyone at school and its nearly driven me to suicide lots of times and stuff like this is the cause for alot of deaths and it seriously needs to stop because trust me the teachers arent doing anything

Originally posted by Nammu
1 - Our oil. We're the only nation EVER to strike oil and never get any richer. Ever! So central Gov gives us more cash to make up for it. I say stop subsidising Scotland and just give us the revenue from our oil.

Your own fault for letting it happen, sorry but that's the truth. Don't blame the English, blame the Scottish people at the time for allowing it.

Originally posted by Nammu
2 - The history. Look it up, there's plenty of it.

If you are going to use history to hate someone then everyone in the world should hate everyone else because at some point we've all stepped on another nations toes.

Originally posted by Nammu
3 - Devolution. We're constantly told by central government we can't make it on our own, we're not good enough. Scottish government is given very limited powers and central government keeps control. Majority of people I know support full devolution. Central government would never let it happen.

If the Scottish people demand it you will get it, simple as that. I can see it happening but if it does then the UK should no longer be funding Scotland. If you think it should then you are just being unrealistic and unfair as you wouldn't like it the other way around.

Originally posted by Nammu
4 - Maggie Thatchers government. They ruined us. We were used as guinea pigs for misguided policies and the Tories were very anti-Scot, but very pro-our oil.

You do know your history right? The Jacobite rebellion was a Tory one. Oh but hey i said lets forget the past, this includes Margaret Thatcher. She hasn't been in power for a long time, maybe if we all move past these things the world would be more peaceful don't you think? Or we can keep banging on about history, hating all who have hurt us in the past and let the world degenerate into a cesspool of hatred even further.

Originally posted by Nammu
5 - England winning the world cup in 1966. We know you won it. We're fed up hearing about it during every single bloody international football match since then, even if it's not even England that are playing!

I admit ignorance on this one as i know nothing of football, however i would say that the scots always bring up the battle of bannockburn so this statement of yours is slightly hypocritical. Or we could both admit that it's only a small percentage of people who bring these things up.

Originally posted by Nammu
6 - When someone from Scotland wins something, a sporting event or whatever, they're refered to as 'British'. When someone from England wins they're 'English'.

Really? I always refer to them as Scottish, go Andy Murray!

Scotland owns absolutely no oil at all. Scotland is not a sovereign entity, and thus cannot claim sovereignty over anything at all.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland owns oil, in the North Sea.

I hope this clears up some of your apparent confusion, Nammu, you rabit nationalist twit.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I will do as i always do when this subject comes up. Approach it with logic.

Firstly the idea of blaming the English for what happened so many years ago is ridiculous. It would be like me blaming the English for what they did to my Irish ancestors, my father doesn't, i don't. It was to long ago for any of my relatives to remember so why should i be angry?

Secondly, if the scots want to be a separate nation then i am in full support of it. It's their decision. However i would also say if this happens we should cut all funding to Scotland, afterall we shouldn't have to fund a country that wants no part of us. Doing so would not be logical without us getting something in return.

Scotland has dropped a great deal of it's industry, it is now very much based on tourism. Without that it will be in a whole lot of trouble financially.Scots hate us, want to separate but also want us to fund their country. This i admit does make me rather angry, you shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If wern't funding Scotland then they wouldn't be able to support half of the systems they currently have.

You should not take our tax money and then carry on calling us names, talk about us like we're all the same and horrible. It's just not right on any level.

I don't hate the Scottish, Welsh or even the Cornish, so why should they hate us English? Seriously now, the claims in this thread that English people treat others like *bleep* is unfounded and just the same xenophobic talk as the sweeping comments made about scots here.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I will do as i always do when this subject comes up. Approach it with logic.

Firstly the idea of blaming the English for what happened so many years ago is ridiculous. It would be like me blaming the English for what they did to my Irish ancestors, my father doesn't, i don't. It was to long ago for any of my relatives to remember so why should i be angry?

Secondly, if the scots want to be a separate nation then i am in full support of it. It's their decision. However i would also say if this happens we should cut all funding to Scotland, afterall we shouldn't have to fund a country that wants no part of us. Doing so would not be logical without us getting something in return.

Scotland has dropped a great deal of it's industry, it is now very much based on tourism. Without that it will be in a whole lot of trouble financially.Scots hate us, want to separate but also want us to fund their country. This i admit does make me rather angry, you shouldn't be able to have it both ways. If wern't funding Scotland then they wouldn't be able to support half of the systems they currently have.

You should not take our tax money and then carry on calling us names, talk about us like we're all the same and horrible. It's just not right on any level.

I don't hate the Scottish, Welsh or even the Cornish, so why should they hate us English? Seriously now, the claims in this thread that English people treat others like *bleep* is unfounded and just the same xenophobic talk as the sweeping comments made about scots here.

you say you approach it with logic, then make some seriously generalist comments.

your post reads like you categorically know that statistically all scots hate the english and all scots want independence.

that's not the case, otherwise it would be happening. The majority oppose it. FACT.

You are obviously as logical as the sensationalist press you must read. Rampant generalisation right back at you. Not logical, is it?

People just aren't seeing the whole picture on this kind of propaganda.

Just remember "Divide and Conquer"

Red Herrings to take the heat off of the powers that be.

Sheep will always fall prey to picking a side, then fighting against their brother while the powers that be profit.

This would have never made news unless they knew that it would incite weak minded people to bicker.


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Hi.

I feel very sorry for this young woman.
I saw this reported on the local news and felt pretty disgusted that a man could hit a woman really hard in the face,let alone over something like nationality!

Unfortunately,you get idiots like this all over the world!

Originally posted by annefran
you say you approach it with logic, then make some seriously generalist comments.

your post reads like you categorically know that statistically all scots hate the english and all scots want independence.

If you are reading my post like that it shows your bias and not mine. I used if and but a lot in that post.

Originally posted by annefran
that's not the case, otherwise it would be happening. The majority oppose it. FACT.

You are obviously as logical as the sensationalist press you must read. Rampant generalisation right back at you. Not logical, is it?

I said if they want it, if. I didn't generalise anyone, but thanks for showing your bias

Orignally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Secondly, if the scots want to be a separate nation then i am in full support of it.

I hate quoting myself but i had to clear this up. Notice how i say IF not a generalisation it's a question.

Orignally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Scots hate us, want to separate but also want us to fund their country.

Basically quote mining myself here, this i had hoped would be taken in the vain that the rest of the post was, that being 'ifs' and 'buts'.

Orignally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I don't hate the Scottish, Welsh or even the Cornish, so why should they hate us English? Seriously now, the claims in this thread that English people treat others like *bleep* is unfounded and just the same xenophobic talk as the sweeping comments made about scots here.

Notice how i said it's the same? That i hope would have made you realise i was showing how generalizations don't work and aren't correct. I guess you just missed it because you're looking for bias that isn't there so you can jump on it and feel all self righteous.

[edit on 15-1-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by DantesLost


This type of racism is one that gets ignored on a regular basis.

Uh, its white people beating up white people. That's not racism. English and Scottish are not races they are nationalities. Just wanted too correct that.