Originally posted by scobro
I have always considered myself and my fellow countrymen,to be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet,i mean one can only feel sympathy for some of the guys that i work with,who have left there homeland to come and work in freezing cold bloody Scotland!
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Hi Scobro Typical Aberdonian, always moaning about the weather.

I was in The Hague last week & it was -8 during the day, that is cold like I have never experienced in all my life.



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Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

I just hate the nationalist crap. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have respect for your country, but give it a freaking rest, SNP-members, you aren't the bleeding Yanks!

Ummm. Yeah. You just followed a comment about how you hate nationalistic crap with a bunch of nationalistic crap. Just saying.

I've lived in the Aberdeen area for 12 years and there isn't as much violence as there is in some other parts of the country (I originate from the greater Glasgow area where it's a LOT worse). This was a despicable and cowardly act, and I think using it as an example of how Scots 'hate' the English is going a bit far. I guarantee you the yob who commited this assault knows very little of the 'history' that is being spoken of here, he's just a yob looking for any reason to hit someone & I hope the scumbag gets jailed for a very long time (he probably won't though due to our pathetic 'justice' system). There are a lot of English people living in Aberdeen, and I find that it's as common to hear an English accent as it is an Aberdonian one. If we all hated the English these people wouldn't stick around, would they?

Originally posted by redled

....It is known that Scots beat their women and so it is acceptable...

It is known that the English beat their women too, and so it is acceptable...

Am I being inaccurate? Say yes and I'll call you a liar! The abuse of women happens as much in England as it does in Scotland, so you can just stop that faux pious nonsense...

Originally posted by Freeborn

If you hate us so much stay in County Scotland!

We could say the same thing to you, but we go where the work is, just like anyone else...

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

...Scotland has dropped a great deal of it's industry...

You mean Scotland was stripped of most of its industry by Margeret Thatcher - not dwelling on the past, but it's the truth...

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

Scotland owns absolutely no oil at all. Scotland is not a sovereign entity, and thus cannot claim sovereignty over anything at all.

If that's the case, why did Westminister alter the boundaries of the territorial waters a few years back? They moved the 'border' to take some of Scotland's oil. Why do that if those boundaries meant nothing? Wouldn't it all be one big British area?


Nammu pretty much summed up the modern day reasons for any Scottish dislike of the English. I don't think many of us have a problem with English people on a personal basis. I certainly don't (I have many English friends and I am related through marriage to a few) and we all for the most part get along fine, but there are things that rile us. Apart from all the history, theres the constant harping on about 1966 & the referral of Scots as British when they win something as Nammu said. I also think some may dislike the fact that we look guilty by association when it comes to England's foreign policy (Iraq etc.) and do not like the thought of terrorists targeting us for something we have very little to do with.

Yes I am a Scottish nationalist, but not because I resent the English. I believe in the principle that any country should have the right to govern itself. I vote SNP as a means to an end, not because I agree with Alex Salmond's policies, and if that means we're worse off so be it!

You can forget that United Kingdom (i.e England) 2012 Olympics football team idea too - it's just not going to happen, the rest of us won't let it...



[edit on 15/1/09 by sotp]

I have been saying for a long time that racism is not about race. Nice thread, you got my flag.

Funny to listen to the Scottish and English talk about nationalistic differences, with some Irish thrown in. It seems that maybe a lot of the more vicious comments were as much intended for humor, but I could be wrong.

Here in the states, where the differences between nationalities have been pretty much bred away, we still find reasons to bicker. If it isn't the North against the South, then it is the Reaganites against the Clintonians, Hatsfields and the McCoys, and even blacks divide between dark skinned blacks and light skinned blacks. People in different cities and states talk about how messed up things are in other cities and states.

Obviously these two guys who punch a girl are nothing but scumbags. Chances are she wouldn't give them any play, and that was the real reason for the attack, and had nothing to do with what end of the island she came from.

Originally posted by redled




Yes, and in England we don't beat women for being....... women. It is known that Scots beat their women and so it is acceptable. Scots hate the English, because we persecute them by giving them more settlement in government cash than any other part of our region, but an English flag on a pretty face deserves a Glasgow kiss.

I hate both Rangers and Celtic, but would not dare say so above the border.

Women beaters, mars bars and deep fried hate. Leave them to their filth.

You really are a piece of distended dog rectum, just the tripe you've typed above is enough to tell anyone on this board that. I spent a good 12 years in the RAF serving amongst the English, Irish and Welsh. Never heard a bad word said about anyone. Yeah, I got called Jock, the Irish Paddy, the Welsh Taff so what, nobody batted an eyelid. Yet the biggest incident I remember just before I left the service was a young English woman who was an RAF Chef and lived 2 doors away from me, her husband was a civvy, yet myself and a good mate of mine from Tottenham had to drag him out of the married quarter at 2 in the morning as he was wrecking the place, he'd beaten up his wife and was threating to kick the crap out of their 4 year old son. We put him in plasticuffs till the old bill arrived. This knuckle dragger deserved a real good kicking, just like the one in Aberdeen will hopefully get. There's no excuse for hitting a woman, EVER. It happens the world over though and not just in Scotland as you seem to alledge. Up yours, twat.

Chuffer

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
And I find the Scottish accent on a cute girl very alluring! Bring it on, cute Glaswegian chicks!

Amen brother . I could listen to Scottish girls talk all day long. Nothing better than a pale Scottish beauty. Some find the accent harsh, but there's something about it.

I think the attackers were simply small minded mouth-breathing neds (thats the Scottish word for 'chavs' to all my English cousins out there ) who were looking to give someone -anyone- a kicking.

Its purely academic that she is English. The attackers are the kind of people who would have simply battered ANY person in that particular place at that particular time for ANY reason that best fits circumstances - black, asian, American or Chinese, fat, thin, tall, short. Ginger. Spectacles. Goth. Gay. Style of clothing. Style of hair. Way of walking. Male or female. It doesnt matter. Someone was going to get battered and the attackers would have adjusted their reasoning to suit the status of the victim.

She was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and her particular reason for being beaten has kicked off a round of anti-English hysteria... and I'm saddened to see that some ATSers are allowing themselves to be wound up by it.

Scotland was not like this 10 years ago. I blame the rise of fervent nationalism.

Can't we all just get along?

[edit on 15/1/09 by YourForever]

Originally posted by YourForever

Scotland was not like this 10 years ago. I blame the rise of fervent nationalism.

Rubbish! There was actually a rise in this kind of thing after the release of 'Braveheart' (1995) but that didn't last for long. I'm sickened by all of these posts attributing violence to Scottish nationalism. It's a typical Unionist ploy to villify nationalists, as if we all want to be Scotland's answer to the I.R.A - complete nonsense! I think you'll find that of all the beatings/stabbings/shootings that go on about 99.999999999% aren't a result of nationalism.

Prove me wrong!

Originally posted by sotp
Prove me wrong!

I was there.

This is not down to a hollywood movie.

This has nothing to do with British history and any conflict between England or Scotland, its two idiotic lads punching a girl in the face because they are scum. Why are they doing it because they can get away with it and its all they can do to make themselves feel bigger because deep down a person who could do such an act must know he is amongst the lowest dregs humanity has to offer.

This can only ever be viewed as an isolated case to go on to say all Scotland is xenophobic and violent just isnt true, the same with any sweeping statement.

This nanny justice system and the rights of prisoners is going that far its actually destroying society, if you feel the need to punch a stranger in the face you should go to prison and not one with pool tables or cable tv, one were you are stuck in a tiny cell all day and you are fed crap you will never enjoy, then when released maybe you'd think twice before punching someone else, why let the few make life hell for the many. Wow ive just gone totally off on a tangent.

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