Originally posted by Chance321


Okey, something about your post kicked my radar off. Your right, something about this dose feel different. Probably wrong on this (I hope) but follow my thought. Lets say the nutcase of iran does declare war on Isreal, your right what troops we have are going to be caught in the middle. Now the wack job of iran knows the US will back Isreal, but what if that is the time we (The US) gets hit and hit hard with terror attacks in order to prevent or delay us in coming to Isreals aid.

How would some terror attacks stop already fielded aircraft carriers and subs from launching some devastating retaliation?

I remember a while back, Israel crushed Lebanon and there was little relative reaction from the Persian and Arab Muslim states. I believe that Israel is counting on a similar reaction in this case.

The Debka story in the original post could serve as a counter in the information war, to any possible moves by Iran to covertly (or overtly) fund opposition forces in Gaza.

Or if you have a more cynical take, the story could serve to fuel doubts as to the benign nature of the incoming Iranian aid ship, thus giving Israel cause to detain it at port.

There are many ways of looking at this story.

Originally posted by Chance321


Simple take out/ disable the areas where they take their orders from. Unless any of the groups mentioned above are directly attacked, they can't take it upon themselves to launch an attack on their own.

Sorry but that does not wash. the systems in place have been designed to fight a nuclear war against the former Soviet union with redundant systems and backups. You would have to pretty much bring down the entire North American Command.

It's command and control are designed for maximum flexibility. Also A Sub & Carrier commander do have some leeway.

not easily done even if you had Russia's nuclear arsenal


[edit on 29-12-2008 by SLAYER69]

The only reason any nation would help Iran is to profit from their stupidity. What I mean by this is once Iran declares any type of war nations will rush to supply Iran with arms, this is nothing new.

The powers that be always make money from any wars because they supply both sides.

No one wins in war, only degrees of losing.

abadinnerjacket gives such inspirational and morally lifting speeches, that I'm sure the world awaits with bated breath.

In 48 hours? Are his speechwriters that slow?

Or will it take that long to get Hizballah and possibly Syria in the north to mobilize?

Do you smell that? That smell, do you?

It's the odor of another ass-kicking, compliments of the IDF.

Originally posted by dooper


Do you smell that? That smell, do you?

It's the odor of another ass-kicking, compliments of the IDF.

I've been reading and watching as much as possible about this situation to get back up to speed and the one thing I just don't get is...
don't these saber rattlers do any history studies?

I hate the situation because innocent people are going to die on both sides and neither side seems to care. But one sure way to stir the pot of death and destruction is to ignore what Isreal will do, it's not a question of if but of when!

I remember in 1967 Iraqis announced in newspapers that their tanks were loaded on a train and going to the front.
Of course, Israeli aviation destroyed the train.

Announcing their next move is sure as hell gonna surprise Israelis out of their pants

[edit on 29-12-2008 by DangerDeath]

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Can anyone with some knowledge of these things predict how other countries may become drawn in, step by step? The real fear is the way the wolrd will become drawn in if in fact my fears are correct.....possible Biblical Proportions?

Which countnries would start stepping into the ring after Iran> any ideas?

Not sure exactly but if Syria steps in it's GAME OVER!!!

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Can anyone with some knowledge of these things predict how other countries may become drawn in, step by step? The real fear is the way the wolrd will become drawn in if in fact my fears are correct.....possible Biblical Proportions?

Which countnries would start stepping into the ring after Iran> any ideas?

Not sure exactly but if Syria steps in it's GAME OVER!!!

Well, For starters we have Iran and Syria on Hamas side.
Indirectly, Russia supports anyone who is against the US.

If it involves others, I see the US and EU getting involved.

The moment Iran/Syria attacks the US, it is attacking NATO and then they must, by treaty, attack Iran and others.

I am leaving out India/Pakistan as they are too busy with each other, imo.

[edit on 12/29/2008 by mrmonsoon]

An Iranian special announcment.

The possibilites stagger the imagination.

I'm betting the rough translation goes something like this.

"Bad evil Isreal! Bad evil America! Jihad and stuff! Oh and Palestine! Just you wait!"-exit stage right.

Hammas made their bed now they get to lay in the bloody sheets. Is Isreals responce any different then any other country who is getting shelled across its border?

No I think not.

From a private source inside Gaza. The Israelis effectively immobilized Hamas on the first day. The rest is mopping up. Everyone is huddled in front of their TV and radio hoping for news it’s over soon.

Iran has been trying to establish a surrogate regime with Hamas a front meant to fight a proxy war with Israel. More showmanship to attract allegiance with Muslims worldwide than a desire to engage Israel in a real war.

While Iranian children go hungry, untold millions, likely billions by now, have gone to supplying Hamas leaders with Russian bought weapons. The Russians are laughing, because Iranians are getting mostly out-of-date and faulty equipment (same with their nuclear technology). Hamas leaders are able to siphon for themselves a fortune with Iranians supplying the goods for war and the West, particularly the EU, sending them vast amounts of money to be at permanent war with Israel.

Hamas is handed a country supposedly occupied by Israel that Egypt refuses to take back. Hamas leaders don't like paperwork and distributing money for schools, agriculture, manufacturing. There's no immediate profit for them in that. Israel supplies food and power and only asks not to be shelled. Hamas knows that peace means they just control a failing state that even oil rich Arabs hate.

The Palestinians, who were given a country for themselves in 1948, it's called Jordan, but decided they, wanted a second and third Palestinian state carved out of Israel. We see what they manage themselves now.


Mike F