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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 12:54 AM by gordonwest
reply to post by Xtrozero




The big question is whether a large navy such as this is obsolete before it hardly hits the waters.


The problem I see it as is that China is not a country that does openly-publicly share the Information about anything of their defence force. And the other problem is with China, is that the Chinese troops that would need to train for the powerful class of any defence -ship-airplanes-military use.

So, is the training more of a bigger Question to ask, rather then how powerful any defence force is???


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 01:02 AM by chinawhite
Originally posted by Xtrozero
The big question is whether a large navy such as this is obsolete before it hardly hits the waters.


There are two school of thoughts regarding that question.

Both were developed in regards to "power projection". One of them is to build a fleet of nuclear submarines to patrol the worlds shipping routes but it does not offer the obvious advantages of a large aircraft carrier, it was also the cheapest approach. As evident with Chinas deployment of two new classes of submarines in the Jin SSBN and Shang class SSN china as well the estabilshment of a new submarine pen on Hainan Island indicates that China is persuing this approach to a extent. This base is located closer to deeper blue water which allows the submarine to escape detection as opposed to Chinas shallow coastline



Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers.

In what will be a significant challenge to US Navy dominance and to countries ringing the South China Sea, one photograph shows China’s latest 094 nuclear submarine at the base just a few hundred miles from its neighbours.

Other images show numerous warships moored to long jettys and a network of underground tunnels at the Sanya base on the southern tip of Hainan island.

Of even greater concern to the Pentagon are massive tunnel entrances, estimated to be 60ft high, built into hillsides around the base. Sources fear they could lead to caverns capable of hiding up to 20 nuclear submarines from spy satellites.

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The second approach is for the procument of captial ships such as Destroyers and Aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are normally associated with "gunboat" diplomacy and is much more effective than parking a few submarines along the coast. But they are expensive and venuerable to air attack as well as submarines of which the PLAN is severly lacking in protection from. But rumours have persisted that China will build one, but as the years go by without a carrier they seem more unlikey. Its possible that China will make the Ex-Varyag into a showcase carrier for humanitarian missions but no progress has been seen on the hull for a few years now


Anyhow, the next step of the Chinese naval program is to establish control of the "second island chain" and be able to conduct missions further alone. As of now, the PLAN seem to be testing the waters, conducting submarine patrols to map the seabed and test the defenses of Japan. This step will eventually lead to the conduction of blue water operations in the future. Only in the past few years has the Chinese military recieved any real funds to attempt these goals but it seems clear that they will want more control of the sea lanes which their economic development depends on




reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 01:30 AM by blowfishdl
How China Steals U.S. Military Secrets
A spate of recent spying cases opens the lid on China's aggressive military buildup. What's most troubling: It is based largely on U.S. technology.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 01:37 AM by Xtrozero
reply to post by chinawhite


It is an interesting subject, but one reason why the US is successful with their navy is due to the fact the US rules the skies and so makes their navy somewhat safer.

There are still big questions on just how safe the US navy is from attack and many reports suggest it is not safe at all. To the point that it would not take that much to sink a Aircraft carrier or other like large vessel with the technology that is found from even smaller countries like Iran. When you think that a small country has the technology to takeout ships of the US navy just think what the US has up its sleeves in this area.

This leads me to my point in what is that huge fleet for? In a way I see in your post that it seemed to be a large moving rock with a decision made 20 to 30 years ago and once that rock got moving it was impossible to stop. Honestly, they could use it in their seas, but that type of feet is geared towards a much more forward projection than you suggest. It would be like saying the US would be using their Navy to patrol the areas of the coast guard.

Cheaper as you said is the key here, for China is not ready to forward project as the US can with its Air and ground forces, so a Navy is what they got….

I say 30 years to late though….






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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 01:53 AM by C0bzz
reply to post by blowfishdl


Thank you for replying.

The craft pictured is actually the highly capable USS Ticonderoga. Her class along with the Arleigh burke class, make up AEGIS and AEGIS BMD which are the most capable Air Warfare Destroyers (AWD) in the world. The USS Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga class ship, successfully shot down USA 193 spy satellite with a SM-3 standard missile.

Pictured here
And
Here

Looks can be deceiving.



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