Chinese Fleet 2008

Alright, short and sweet. This thread is about China's military. Please keep to it and stop this childish finger pointing.

You've been beating around the question for a while now. Are you a communist? It's a simple question with a simple answer, and we all already know the answer anyway.

It just makes me sick you know man you must really take everything in your life for granted. Communism is sick and twisted manipulation by the government/corporation ruling all of their lives. What a horrible mix corporations and government. Those are the two most corrupt things on the planet Earth and there are still people out there who believe they should be one massive power. That's why they get paid cents on the dollar, and if YOU my friend were working in those Chinese factories pumping out 3,000 Mickey Mouse's a day YOU may just sleep at night by thinking about how great it must be to live in America.




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Those ships look like an over sized Yacht not fit for military warfare. See the picture that is lined with Chinese forces? That's how they actually plan to fight you. Standing on the deck with a rifle in hand. Try matching this up against our US Navy Warships and Aircraft Carriers. The government doesn't care if they lose all of their lives. They are happy for the overpopulation.

[edit on 11/29/08 by blowfishdl]

Originally posted by blowfishdl
You've been beating around the question for a while now. Are you a communist? It's a simple question with a simple answer, and we all already know the answer anyway.

Beating around the question????. I answered you ALREADY. Now stop posting this BS since I have ALREADY answered you yet bring up the question again and again

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I'm not a communist, I'm not even a socialist nor do I believe in government interference with peoples lives.

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how great it must be to live in America.

It must be great, standing there mowing my lawn and someone decides to take a shot at me. Must I envy de Americana

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[edit on 30-11-2008 by intrepid]

ENOUGH

This childishness ends now. No further verbal warnings will be given.

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Try matching this up against our US Navy Warships and Aircraft Carriers.

Thats if they make it to the Chinese coast first. I hear the USN has a hard time combating submarines so maybe China should just leave our capital ships at home and let the submarines have all the fun?

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So what you two are fighting a war for the US and China? Give me a break....hehe it's like reading about two kids telling each other how big and bad their dads are.

The bottom line here is that China has had the most robust buildup of their navy in the last 20 years to beat out everyone else in the world including America.

If they wanted to be a defensive nation they would not need such a fleet, so my guess is they are planning a long term takeover of Taiwan and maybe other countries where they would need such a fleet to accomplish those types of plans.


The big question is whether a large navy such as this is obsolete before it hardly hits the waters.

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The big question is whether a large navy such as this is obsolete before it hardly hits the waters.

The problem I see it as is that China is not a country that does openly-publicly share the Information about anything of their defence force. And the other problem is with China, is that the Chinese troops that would need to train for the powerful class of any defence -ship-airplanes-military use.

So, is the training more of a bigger Question to ask, rather then how powerful any defence force is???

Originally posted by Xtrozero
The big question is whether a large navy such as this is obsolete before it hardly hits the waters.

There are two school of thoughts regarding that question.

Both were developed in regards to "power projection". One of them is to build a fleet of nuclear submarines to patrol the worlds shipping routes but it does not offer the obvious advantages of a large aircraft carrier, it was also the cheapest approach. As evident with Chinas deployment of two new classes of submarines in the Jin SSBN and Shang class SSN china as well the estabilshment of a new submarine pen on Hainan Island indicates that China is persuing this approach to a extent. This base is located closer to deeper blue water which allows the submarine to escape detection as opposed to Chinas shallow coastline

Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers.

In what will be a significant challenge to US Navy dominance and to countries ringing the South China Sea, one photograph shows China’s latest 094 nuclear submarine at the base just a few hundred miles from its neighbours.

Other images show numerous warships moored to long jettys and a network of underground tunnels at the Sanya base on the southern tip of Hainan island.

Of even greater concern to the Pentagon are massive tunnel entrances, estimated to be 60ft high, built into hillsides around the base. Sources fear they could lead to caverns capable of hiding up to 20 nuclear submarines from spy satellites.

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The second approach is for the procument of captial ships such as Destroyers and Aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers are normally associated with "gunboat" diplomacy and is much more effective than parking a few submarines along the coast. But they are expensive and venuerable to air attack as well as submarines of which the PLAN is severly lacking in protection from. But rumours have persisted that China will build one, but as the years go by without a carrier they seem more unlikey. Its possible that China will make the Ex-Varyag into a showcase carrier for humanitarian missions but no progress has been seen on the hull for a few years now


Anyhow, the next step of the Chinese naval program is to establish control of the "second island chain" and be able to conduct missions further alone. As of now, the PLAN seem to be testing the waters, conducting submarine patrols to map the seabed and test the defenses of Japan. This step will eventually lead to the conduction of blue water operations in the future. Only in the past few years has the Chinese military recieved any real funds to attempt these goals but it seems clear that they will want more control of the sea lanes which their economic development depends on

All those ships look quite modern and very well maintained. I was expecting to see a bunch of rusting hulks. What a pleasant surprise to be wrong.

How China Steals U.S. Military Secrets
A spate of recent spying cases opens the lid on China's aggressive military buildup. What's most troubling: It is based largely on U.S. technology.

This dude looks like he's rockin out with Windows 95!

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It is an interesting subject, but one reason why the US is successful with their navy is due to the fact the US rules the skies and so makes their navy somewhat safer.

There are still big questions on just how safe the US navy is from attack and many reports suggest it is not safe at all. To the point that it would not take that much to sink a Aircraft carrier or other like large vessel with the technology that is found from even smaller countries like Iran. When you think that a small country has the technology to takeout ships of the US navy just think what the US has up its sleeves in this area.

This leads me to my point in what is that huge fleet for? In a way I see in your post that it seemed to be a large moving rock with a decision made 20 to 30 years ago and once that rock got moving it was impossible to stop. Honestly, they could use it in their seas, but that type of feet is geared towards a much more forward projection than you suggest. It would be like saying the US would be using their Navy to patrol the areas of the coast guard.

Cheaper as you said is the key here, for China is not ready to forward project as the US can with its Air and ground forces, so a Navy is what they got….

I say 30 years to late though….






[edit on 30-11-2008 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by chinawhite
Thats if they make it to the Chinese coast first. I hear the USN has a hard time combating submarines so maybe China should just leave our capital ships at home and let the submarines have all the fun?

I hope your not seriously suggesting that submarine in the picture can make it all the way to America in the ocean.

[edit on 11/30/08 by blowfishdl]

Those ships look like an over sized Yacht not fit for military warfare. See the picture that is lined with Chinese forces? That's how they actually plan to fight you. Standing on the deck with a rifle in hand. Try matching this up against our US Navy Warships and Aircraft Carriers. The government doesn't care if they lose all of their lives. They are happy for the overpopulation.

Yes indeed.

One ship China White forgot to mention is the new Zhengzhou class destroyer. It has a navalised version of the old S-200 with the missiles mounted in DLC (Diagonal Launch Cells).

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Look at it. Obviously at Yacht not fit for military warfare. Don't you think?

Very similar to the first picture just longer and obviously has a missile launch system. The walls look very thin and cheap. It's very blocky so there is zero stealth capability with that machine. They would see you coming a mile away literally so I hope those missiles can travel far. If they aren't anti-aircraft missiles they are going to be sunk instantly.




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You do realise that is the AMERICAN Ticonderoga class cruiser.

I believe Cobzz set you up. Your pathetic attempt to troll is so obvious. You brag about how good the US military is and you dont have a clue about it. ROFL. If the Ticonderoga class is a filmsy as you say it is, then the American military is in big trouble.






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[edit on 30-11-2008 by 12m8keall2c]

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Thank you for replying.

The craft pictured is actually the highly capable USS Ticonderoga. Her class along with the Arleigh burke class, make up AEGIS and AEGIS BMD which are the most capable Air Warfare Destroyers (AWD) in the world. The USS Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga class ship, successfully shot down USA 193 spy satellite with a SM-3 standard missile.

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Looks can be deceiving.



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