School Clams Up on 'Gay' Pledge Cards Given to Kindergartners

Listening to the crappy frat boy humor radio show at work today, it all became clear. I never played sports in school. I hung out with the cheeleaders. My dad worried a bit but I was not cheering or putting on makeup, I was 12 and helping girls figure out how to put their bras on. Well, on the radio they discussed how "normal" it is for boys on sports teams to share women, have orgies, and engage other "hetero" activities - with each other. As the one radio host explained tag teaming to impress one another it occured that these men were engaging in this activity regardless of the female, it was to impress each other. I cannot imagine being with a woman in any way and only worrying about what my male friend thought about how I was with her. I hear that is normal. So am I to gather there are all these boys that were on sports teams and kind of liked being so naked and sexual with the other boys and now they are scared to death that their kids will do even more gay stuff than they did, because after all, they enjoyed it!

reply to post by wisefoolishness


These are just little children. Even if they hear the words I doubt they will understand the meanings. It would suffice it to say, "Don't say mean things to each other."

Well intended but not appropriate.
It is not the place of a kindergarten teacher to educate these kids on sexuality. Period.
It is the place of all parents to teach their children to treat others with respect regardless of their differences and values.

Homosexuality and all it's facets GTHBL are choices of action, from a plethora of courses of action.

GHTBL movement recruits, in the same manner that pot smokers used to recruit, "Don't knock it till you try it."

Other equal rights groups, women, disabled, people of color cannot choose their condition, and no act or choice will ever change it.

To equate GLHTB actions to an inherent condition like gender, clor or disability is hiding the agenda of recruitment under the umbrella of legitimate causes.

reply to post by fmcanarney


There really is a lot of choice involved in homosexuality. Having been gay and fixed it through time(I think it's been a year since I started?), patience, and an insight into body language and blood chemical levels gained by way too much free time, I really do believe that homosexuals recruit and that children are more susceptible to becoming gay the more that they are exposed to homosexuality at an early age.

Now if I have any homosexual thoughts I find that it is associated with unstable testosterone levels caused by inadequate zinc intake, kind of like how I start craving blood and have hunter-killer thoughts when I need a lot of protein.

Anyway, that's just why I disapprove of children being exposed to homosexuality, especially at a very young age(or really during any age of rapid neurological development, for that matter); first-hand experience.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Epinephrine]

reply to post by Epinephrine

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I just want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. This is not an attack, but a request for info.

Do I understand you correctly that you had homosexual impulses, but have found a way to stop them in favor of heterosexual impulses? This through the use of zinc as a supplement (to increase testosterone levels)?

If I am understanding you correctly, I would be most interested in hearing other details of your experiences.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


I learned to fix my sexuality after years of being gay, having gay sex, and having gay relationships during which I not only had no interest in sex with women but was repulsed by and very adverse to the thought of it. I had many stereotypical gay mannerisms, body language, and speech patterns. I was definitely a genuine gay. But because I had recently, with some alien abduction, cured a neurological imbalance that had been triggered by experiments with meditation and because I was very against what I viewed to be socially irresponsible, anti-science gay politics I decided to experiment with changing my sexuality.

I started out, pardon my crudeness here but this was sort of an important step, by masturbating as normal and then switching my regular, gay porn to nude pictures of beautiful young women when I felt that I was close to achieving orgasm. The reason for doing so was that I was unable, at that time, to achieve an erection for women and I felt that it was very important to associate erection and sexual orgasm with women, in a sort of pavlovian fashion. I noticed that in my second week of doing this that I was starting to experience spontaneous attraction to women which were accompanied by highly masculine mannerisms and voice-tone changes. So while I was still attracted to men, I was also experiencing genuine attraction to women. I did not experience both attractions at the same time.

I spent quite a lot of time fluctuating between the two sexualities noting all the physical, behavior, and perceptual differences between the two states. The physical differences were the most interesting, as I noticed my face(especially my cheeks) became puffier when experiencing gay attraction and that there were smell differences between the two sexualities. When I was attracted to other men, I smelled almost floral(which I find women smell of) and that the minute I switched over to being attracted to women I would lose that smell(my clothes would smell of it still) and instead smell slightly "musky".

So smell, behavior, bodily changes, and perceptual shifts gave me constant internal feedback to let me adjust my sexuality. I still had some very short-lived relapses that I couldn't explain but after several months of constant obsession with diet and nutrition I noticed that zinc-rich foods made me hyper masculine and would leave me thinking about nothing but women, exercise, machinery, and long-term decision making for hours. During this time I noticed my balls got bigger so I assumed that my stereotypical, hypermasculine, completely-gay free behavior was caused by high levels of testosterone. I also noticed that when my testosterone levels dropped and I avoided foods that were high in zinc, I would become moody, irritable, unassertive, and then gay.

So now it's boiled down to me just having to monitor my behavior and watching my zinc and testosterone levels. If my zinc levels are low, I might crave sex with other men until I increase my zinc intake. But in the same way, if I need to eat more protein(especially after exercising) I start craving blood and think about eating animals I see. As long as I stick to a high protein, high zinc, high folate diet I'm straight and don't think about eating the annoying neighbor's dog

I got a bit lazy in my writing but does that make sense? Did I provide the information you were hoping for?

reply to post by Epinephrine


WOW! I have never heard of anything like the experiences you have had. I have to give you props for writing that here, and I thank you for the information provided, and being so open with everyone. You must still be going through alot. Do you feel that one day, you will no longer need the zinc to mantain your testostorone levels, and not be gay? I also don't understand the blood craving part? Great info Gave it a star.

reply to post by schism85


Oh, blood craving is just another symptom of a different nutrient deficiency. I put that in to point out the similarities between the intense perceptual shifts and urges I feel during a protein deficiency and the perceptual shifts that I feel during a zinc deficiency(where I first lose masculine features, then become moody and stressed, and then develop feminine responses like homosexuality) and how they both clear up for me when I get enough of the needed nutrient. I'm not saying that taking a zinc supplement will cure a gay, but it does seem to go a long way to keeping your hormone levels steady and high. And my testosterone levels need to be pretty high, to the point that I develop aggressive thoughts towards other men and seek social dominance(especially over women). But I think that's actually just normal male behavior, especially in other parts of the world and in animals.

I think that with time I'll have more nerve connections to act as a support network to reinforce normal behavior under lower testosterone levels, just as I think long term homosexuals have neurological connections that reinforce gay behavior. But then, just like older men I'm sure my sex drive and interest in women would drop with lower testosterone levels so why not keep my testosterone levels high and stay healthy and randy into my old age?

reply to post by Epinephrine

Yes, yes you did. I find your experiences very interesting.

To go off topic for just a bit (mods forgive me), I have long been intrigued by human sexuality, in a scientific way (come on guys, get your minds out of the gutter ). I have dabbled a bit in artificial intelligence, and find human sexuality to be a good yardstick for measuring instinctive response to stimuli. The pain/pleasure aspect of some sexual variations (I used your term Jenna!) such as extreme BDSM especially intrigued me. It is illogical that a pleasurable experience should be fostered by a pain experience, but it happens none the less.

Your report on the initial attempts to change the sexual impulses strikes me as being similar to what I had personally concluded about that example. Mental images that coincide with sexual pleasure do indeed tend to be associated with arousal itself after repeated episodes. Thus, pain experienced during a moment of extreme pleasure can come to be recognized as pleasure itself, and apparently, images and sensations that do not normally cause one to experience arousal may also be programmed through repetition to stimulate arousal.

I also am intrigued about the use of zinc to adjust testosterone levels. That's something I was not aware of, and that I will be researching in my spare time.

Another aspect I find amazing was the physical changes you experienced, I am assuming from an increase in testosterone levels. It would appear to me at this point that testosterone is not only the hormone that makes men masculine, but masculine activity also serves to increase testosterone. The two build on each other, in simpler terms. The real surprise was the fragrances you mentioned. I have the obstacle of having a very poor sense of smell (at least on a conscious level), and therefore could probably not have noticed such a change, were I to have been in your position. I am aware that animalistic sexual attractions are frequently initiated by an olfactory stimuli, and this would agree that such plays a huge role in human sexual behavior as well.

You have given me much to think on! You have earned my gratitude and a huge chunk of respect for both being so open as to give this detailed account, and so brave as to do it as well.

And you earned a star, although I feel that is so poor a reward for your contribution to be laughable. Mods, can we get this guy some applause?

TheRedneck

reply to post by Epinephrine


With all the blood cravings and all, are you sure your not a zombie? Are you craving brains, or feeling slightly cold? JK

That is a very interesting story you have. Iam very curious as to how it will all work out for you. I have never heard of anything like it. I think you have a good shot at selling alot of books some day. People would be interested in your story. I have never heard of controlling your sexuality with your mind, and zinc, and the other methods you have described. I wish you the best of luck.

Originally posted by fmcanarney
Homosexuality and all it's facets GTHBL are choices of action, from a plethora of courses of action.

GHTBL movement recruits, in the same manner that pot smokers used to recruit, "Don't knock it till you try it."

Other equal rights groups, women, disabled, people of color cannot choose their condition, and no act or choice will ever change it.

To equate GLHTB actions to an inherent condition like gender, clor or disability is hiding the agenda of recruitment under the umbrella of legitimate causes.

Well the the real point is, why should they bother trying to change it?

If they are naturally attracted to and aroused by the same sex why should they bother trying to change it?

Even though smoking pot is cool with me, I can understand that it is somewhat physically bad for you (maybe not as bad as cigarettes but still) and there is a reason not to do it.

I agree, homosexual acts are not innate. No action is innate, You can say that same about hetero people. But we aren't talking about acts, we are talking about a person, a homosexual state/position/being where you are attracted to the same sex.

I can't imagine trying to change my sexual attraction to a man. You talk about choice, but I really doubt even if I wanted to I could have gay sex. It just wouldn't physically happen for me.

But again, what does it matter if the sexual action is a choice? It is a choice for all of us.

Originally posted by Epinephrine
reply to post by fmcanarney

 

There really is a lot of choice involved in homosexuality. Having been gay and fixed it through time(I think it's been a year since I started?), patience, and an insight into body language and blood chemical levels gained by way too much free time, I really do believe that homosexuals recruit and that children are more susceptible to becoming gay the more that they are exposed to homosexuality at an early age.

Now if I have any homosexual thoughts I find that it is associated with unstable testosterone levels caused by inadequate zinc intake, kind of like how I start craving blood and have hunter-killer thoughts when I need a lot of protein.

Anyway, that's just why I disapprove of children being exposed to homosexuality, especially at a very young age(or really during any age of rapid neurological development, for that matter); first-hand experience.

[edit on 6-11-2008 by Epinephrine]

Starred. Damn good post.

reply to post by Jezus


It matters because the support for the gay rights movement is based upon the idea that gays have no choice in their sexuality. If it were ever proven that this were not the case the gay rights movement would lose it's steam and both it and gays would be freely criticized and questioned. If homosexuality were proven to be a choice then homosexuality would be viewed as an unnatural condition and could very well be reclassified as a mental illness.

It would be better if we got to the truth of the matter instead of relying on talking points and emotional appeals to decide what should be.

Originally posted by Epinephrine
If homosexuality were proven to be a choice then homosexuality would be viewed as an unnatural condition and could very well be reclassified as a mental illness.

Hmm, you kind of contradict yourself.

But again, now you started talking about the state instead of the action.

The action of homosexual sex, like any other action, is a choice.

The state of homosexuality, being physically attracted and aroused by the same sex, is NOT a choice.

Originally posted by Epinephrine
It would be better if we got to the truth of the matter instead of relying on talking points and emotional appeals to decide what should be.

EXACTLY !!!!!

The personal bias, opinion, and feeling towards homosexuality DOESN'T MATTER.

The truth is that some people claim to like it, and it doesn't cause anyone else any harm.

Originally posted by Epinephrine
reply to post by Jezus

 

It matters because the support for the gay rights movement is based upon the idea that gays have no choice in their sexuality. If it were ever proven that this were not the case the gay rights movement would lose it's steam and both it and gays would be freely criticized and questioned. If homosexuality were proven to be a choice then homosexuality would be viewed as an unnatural condition and could very well be reclassified as a mental illness.

It would be better if we got to the truth of the matter instead of relying on talking points and emotional appeals to decide what should be.

Well technically it is an illness...well at least the actual act of sex is an illness. The purpose of sex is reproduction and that does not occur during gay sex. Insisting on putting shoes on your hands or wearing a hat on your feet would be a sure sign of an illness, because hats are meant for the head and shoes for the feet. Trying to eat through the anus and have bowel movements through the mouth would definitely be called an illness of some sort. The penis is meant for the vagina, and any other use of it is incorrect and vice-versa. As the one guy is saying above, it's all about hormone levels. It is a fact that a man will begin to grow breasts if he has enough estrogen pumped into him, and this is incorrect because the male anatomy has no use for breasts because men don't naturally have mammary glands. The specific study of hormone's and chemical imbalances is called encrinology. As far as school is concerned, I think that all schools should have an encrinologist to go along with their psychologist on campus. All children should be tested yearly for incorect hormone levels.

In conclusion, loving another person of the same sex couldn't be technically classified as an illness because their isn't anything scientifically backward about it...I guess. Although, having sex or trying the reproduce incorrectly is certainly an illness.





[edit on 6-11-2008 by timidobserver]

reply to post by Jezus

The action of homosexual sex, like any other action, is a choice.

The state of homosexuality, being physically attracted and aroused by the same sex, is NOT a choice.

I can agree readily on the difference between homosexual urges and homosexual actions. The former is today assumed to be inherent, i.e. the person is born that way. The latter is the choice to act on such urges.

I do believe there is a certain segment of society who would perhaps not have any interest in homosexual activity were it not for the taboo allure that it carries. There are quite a few people who are simply looking for something 'different'. Thus far, my responses have largely tried to ignore this group.

But the real reason for my post to you is to make a suggestion and get your (and of course, others') response to it:

IF homosexual urges could be shown to be chemically-based (endocrinological) and IF it was shown that a safe potential treatment existed that could change the homosexual urges to heterosexual ones, and IF such treatment were to be offered voluntarily, would you approve of such offers, or would you condemn them?

TheRedneck

Originally posted by timidobserver
The purpose of sex is reproduction

This is pretty much your whole point.

Fortunately it is an opinion.

Sex certainly leads to reproduction in many cases.

However, correlation is not causation and vice versa.

Many animals besides humans have sex for pleasure or other reasons. Biologically sex often leads to reproduction, however the idea that this is the "purpose" is claiming to understand creation.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
But the real reason for my post to you is to make a suggestion and get your (and of course, others') response to it:

IF homosexual urges could be shown to be chemically-based (endocrinological) and IF it was shown that a safe potential treatment existed that could change the homosexual urges to heterosexual ones, and IF such treatment were to be offered voluntarily, would you approve of such offers, or would you condemn them?

TheRedneck

Again, you will find most of my opinion revolves around two things.

The individual and externalities.

I would approve because of the key word "voluntary".

However, just as I'm sure if you could do this and make someone straight you could do the same thing and make someone gay...

Would anyone ever want to voluntarily turn gay? Probably not but if it is voluntary I'd let anyone do anything they want as long as it has no direct negative externalities.

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Now for a further point, would we allow either of these treatments on children?

reply to post by Jezus

However, just as I'm sure if you could do this and make someone straight you could do the same thing and make someone gay...

That makes sense. However, there would be the question of whether someone would be obligated to perform the procedure in reverse. I suppose some would be happy to do so for enough money.

I also agree with you that the operative word (for me anyway) would be 'voluntary'.

Thanks for your opinion Jezus. Any other takers to this question?

TheRedneck