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Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by TheRedneck
But the real reason for my post to you is to make a suggestion and get your (and of course, others') response to it:
IF homosexual urges could be shown to be chemically-based (endocrinological) and IF it was shown that a safe potential treatment existed that could change the homosexual urges to heterosexual ones, and IF such treatment were to be offered voluntarily, would you approve of such offers, or would you condemn them?
TheRedneck
Again, you will find most of my opinion revolves around two things.
The individual and externalities.
I would approve because of the key word "voluntary".
However, just as I'm sure if you could do this and make someone straight you could do the same thing and make someone gay...
Would anyone ever want to voluntarily turn gay? Probably not but if it is voluntary I'd let anyone do anything they want as long as it has no direct negative externalities.
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Now for a further point, would we allow either of these treatments on children?
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by timidobserver
The purpose of sex is reproduction
This is pretty much your whole point.
Fortunately it is an opinion.
Sex certainly leads to reproduction in many cases.
However, correlation is not causation and vice versa.
Many animals besides humans have sex for pleasure or other reasons. Biologically sex often leads to reproduction, however the idea that this is the "purpose" is claiming to understand creation.
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by Epinephrine
If homosexuality were proven to be a choice then homosexuality would be viewed as an unnatural condition and could very well be reclassified as a mental illness.
Hmm, you kind of contradict yourself.
Originally posted by toochaos4u
reply to post by PoliticalRevolutionUND
I'm gay and have only met one person that questioned where their sexuality started. It was a dear friend that claimed to have been raped repeatedly by his step father. Other than that all gays I have met will say they felt "different" even as small children. Myself I recognized this at seven years old.
My father was a Sunday School Teacher and a Deacon for a very strict religious group so it wasn't upbringing. So at seven I wasn't sitting around thinking lustful of schoolmates. I was making emotion bonds between friends that seemed to me out of the ordinary and couldn't understand why.
I found myself playing house with girls often and with dolls as well as boy things like playing baseball etc...
At seven a teacher beat my hand with a paddle because I was caught holding hands with another boy. My explanation to the teacher was, "He is my boyfriend." The teacher sat me to the side and quoted bible verses and explained I was being nasty. I had no understanding what she was talking about but, felt really out of place now like a broken toy.
Suffice it to say I still don't think children understand the cards. I wouldn't have. A pledge of being nice to all people would be good enough and that goes for adults too.
A pledge of being nice to all people would be good enough and that goes for adults too
It is very common for gays to desire and seek straight men for partners.
Originally posted by timidobserver
I think that any parent should feel obligated to make sure that their children's hormones are balanced correctly.
Originally posted by timidobserver
No it's not an opinion...Are you trying to say that reproduction and survival of a species is some how optional or a nice perk that comes along with the pleasure?
Everyone has different hormone levels that change variably. Homosexuality is not considered a negative effect by many.
I believe sex is for reproduction AND pleasure. The same evidence that leads you to believe sex is for reproduction is what leads me to believe it is for pleasure also.
Stating the "purpose" of sex is not fact and never can be.
Originally posted by Jezus
Originally posted by timidobserver
I think that any parent should feel obligated to make sure that their children's hormones are balanced correctly.
Of course it is an opinion....I believe sex is for reproduction AND pleasure. The same evidence that leads you to believe sex is for reproduction is what leads me to believe it is for pleasure also.
Originally posted by fmcanarney
Eating for pleasure results in gluttony becoming the norm.
Sex for pleasure results in lust being the norm.
Chemicals for pleasure resulte in addictions being the norm.