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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by reconpilot
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Dont be a bloody fool Jamie . When someone comes at your wife and child with a gun ,trust me, if you had a weapon and any balls ,you would use it . Victims who choose that do goody love and peace jive get sent to the ovens ,tortured ,raped and burnt at the stake .

get real . If this planet gets nuked mate ,its over . When a sun explodes in to a super nova ,its over .

So quit trying to sell me that fluffy new age crap mate . You want to roll over when when they take your freedom and wait for jesus to save your ass , go ahead . But you will wait and wait untils to damn late .


I want to clarify that I'm not married yet but if my husband or child got attacked I would definitely defend them. I don't believe in a savior as well coming down. I do believe some figurehead would come, and the masses would willingly call up to be "raptured" and then find themselves contained into prison/butchery pens.

There is an old tibetan story, whereby I read an account from Theodre Illion's book, "Darkness over Tibet" which I felt was extremely profound and expressed the absurdity of the concept of discarding one's personality to attain happiness or liberty. A hero who sacrificed his family to mosquitoes and rats so he would "hurt no one".

I think that concept is ultimately flawed as the author did - denying self for its apparent spiritualistic quality is another manipulated ideal. However, running at a tank when you are armed with a stick does not make sense either. Since you cannot protect loved ones when you are dead.

Your battle however advanced would be futile against the oppressors. They destroyed your home planet anyways. To enact a similar strategy of defence would be terribly silly and would be akin to a banzai "kamikaze" charge the japanese used.

This is an excerpt anyways from the book.


The play glorified renunciation and nonresistance to evil. Again and again it stressed the prospect of getting happiness as a reward for renunciation. The hero of the play (I use the word in a technical sense, for a pitiful hero he was for that matter) was out to discard his personality in order to get happiness. Why do people seek an unselfish conception of life? Is it because we have so much love and sympathy with the troubles of others that we begin to be ashamed of our selfishness which causes so much suffering? Or is it because we want happiness in exchange for a non-egocentrical conception of life?
In the play performed in the monastery the motive of the hero was the latter and not the former. He wanted bliss as a reward for discarding his personality. The play started with an exceedingly long monologue on the evils of existence. [...]




posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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Nobody is expecting you to bring a knife to a gun fight jamie . But all to often war is the result of apathy greed and denial. Then when the war is imminent ,the peace nicks are trotted out by the enemy to instil fatalist resignation . during WW2 ,we called theme the appeasers . People like joseph kennedy and that two faced little weazel , charles lindbergh , both nazi sympathisers . The real reason lindbergh did not have a conventional cockpit when he did the first 'solo' atlantic flight was so nobody would see his co pilot ,the cheating bastard .

Diplomacy is always preferable to war . But without a credible defence you are gonna get screwed sooner or later .

I never met a socialist yet that was not a frustrated social climbing capitalist . left or right , party politics is the art of stealing democracy from under peoples noses while maintaining the semblance of representation .

Thats divide and conquer for you . Left is right and right is left and all controlled from the center by Enki and his inbred family .



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by reconpilot
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Thats divide and conquer for you . Left is right and right is left and all controlled from the center by Enki and his inbred family .


Thats it exactly. like a magician, make us look at the one hand while the other is pulling off the trick.

politics and religion, in my mind the two biggest forms of " magic ". of course there are alot of different distractions to divide us, thats why we need to see through this crap so we will no longer be under their power.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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This has been great dialogue here in the past page or two.

Something that seeker mentioned, about project blue beam. I believe what is written in " revelations " is going to happen because there are plenty of people pushing their agenda and trying to MAKE it happen.

I think project blue beam could possibly play a role in that by making jesus " come back ", then the mass amounts of people that believe in that are going to think jesus has come back to save them and believe they have nothing to worry about because jesus will take care of it. then they will all be led to slaughter. something to that effect.

I would like some input on that from you all, is it just a " crazy " idea ?



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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I'm really concerned with their blue beam concepts, part religious figure head, part et battle. Its so hard to assess just how far they intend to go with this, or when they plan on using it. For example, I mentioned before how it was rumored 9 nukes were set off in the arctic ocean, right where the core buldges closest to the surface. This was originally released by Russia, but its even reported on Ron Paul's website. This was Nov, then Dec, a suddenly a huge unexplained hole in our magnetic shield, along with tons of seismic activities.

I see an unprecedented disaster being carried out right under our collective noses, that will be blamed on cosmic stuff, or an act of God, that could do?.....
the worst things predicted for 2012??? I don't know.

So where does project bluebeam fit in, before the "natural" disaster, after it, with the survivors. Just what is being planned? What preparations should one take, finding underground steams? Getting to very high ground? Or, perhaps, despite all the seismic activity, it may just fizzle out? Another big plan misfiring.

Everything "they" do always seems to be in extreme overkill fashion, with so many different tangents to it, I don't even see how they can logically go about using the blue beam effectively. Its the codex code and any sign of martial law that has to be stamped out swiftly. I think we need to bend over backwards and compete to get on the "red" list. It should be an honor badge for us. Lets make that list unmanageably large.


Edit to add: If they ever use blue beam, I'll be telling everyone to stick their fingers in their ears, thats after they give them the gracious gift of their middle rose, and then a bouquet of those fingers, and say "I can't hear you, I can't hear you, I can't hear you."

[edit on 7-1-2009 by mystiq]



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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LOL, what? i cant hear you......


With the billions of people that are religious though, you have to take into consideration that agendas are being pushed in a certain direction, and that direction is probably to fulfill prophecies written in the bible.

How will they make people submit to government, make everyone think jesus is back via project blue beam and voila, instant submission because jesus is back and we dont have to deal with it anymore. I consider all the extra 911's to be the icing on the cake, cause and effect. create a threat and watch people wallow in fear and allow the government to go murder people in another country......just like 9/11.

as far as the 9 nukes being set off and a hole being in our atmosphere, I dont know anything about that. I heard about it awhile back but why would " they " intentionally put a hole in our atmosphere? escape route? to allow something in? I just dont know how that fits in...... could be any number of reasons.

I could be way off base here but those are my thoughts.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Mistiq

they don't care how large the list is; the talk has been of drastic population reduction, approaching 80% or better; spread the word to all that will listen; stay out of cities and heavily populated areas, stockpile seeds and basic bulk food items; if the satelites are already in place, global projections/holograms are possible, along with attacks on the population, and most do not have a clue about what can happen.

If it is reported on the MSM that people world wide are seeing Jesus or whoever in the clouds, talking to them, and that hostile "aliens" are attacking us, just what is average Joe Q dumbass citizen going to believe?

Armageddon could be a reality because they want it to be and have the means to do it, and the "rapture" will be staged also.

But remember it is a chess game on a very large scale, and there are two sides moving the pieces.

I've said enough.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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Here are some links on the nukes: educate-yourself.org...

and

www.dailypaul.com...

and there were threads about this. I really want to know how much damage they've done, is all this rain and snow radiactive? Now I know the kind of seismic activities this could cause, not just yellowstone, this could make the dormants go, like Mt. Baldy, and also, offshore. Also, how much radiation did they just pump into our oceans?


I really think the lists are important, because its not going to go the way they wish, when they start to get going. This is a very strong feeling. I feel they're in for a surprise.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Ok, I dont know why I thought it punched a hole in our atmosphere?....

It punched a hole in the earths crust allowing petroleum to leak through the crust and into the oceans. I see it was in canadian waters, I also see why it would concern you mystiq.

We could speculate on why it happened and who did it, but it seems everyone is hush-hush about it, thanks for the links.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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Since the hole in the magnetic shield was reported shortly after, I also flashed on cosmic events being encouraged. But the idea of them trying to create an escape route, a rupture in the net so to speak came as well in December when I read about it.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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We have to get over our fear.

There are plenty of awful things that could happen. Blue-Beam, earth-quakes, bio-weapon attacks, fake second comings are all very-real possibilities. There are groups out there actively planning this, there are also groups out there trying to stop them. Seeker has good advice.

The only thing we really know is that nothing is finalised yet. So the question is, what can we DO? We have to be pro-active, not chicken-littles. It's been said that the good guys can't help too much because people are not fighting corruption enough.

Raise awareness:
Alex Jones has made some cool films, all we need to do is spread them.
Truth Rising and Endgame are pretty good explanations of the way things are going. I think Blue-beam is mentioned in Endgame.

Fight back. Lets assume that we are all going to die in 2009 cos the NWO steps it up. That's tough, right?

At least feel the exaltation and energy of fighting and DOING YOUR BEST. 90 per cent of warfare is for hearts and minds, the Pentagon admits this.
Remember governer Tarkin?: "Fear shall be our main weapon"

We've been entrained to be meek and servile. The big joke is these people are literally out-numbered 10,000 to one, and yet WE'RE the ones who feel surrounded. I'd like to see a bit more activism and a less defeatism on this thread.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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I'm not sure I grasp what youre getting at, defeatism?.....really?

Discussing possibilities is the furthest thing from admitting defeat. I call it preparedness. we discuss the possibilities so we can be ready for all the possibilities.

I do agree though, it is time to step it up....it has been time for a good long while too.

discussion is a stepping stone for getting over our fear. yes people need to get over their fear but I'm not seeing the fear in this thread.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by pureevil81]



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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Where to go and what to do?

High-ground/low-ground/coast/forest?

That's a very valid question. I've struggled with it for years. We can ask around and study, but we also have to trust our intuition. There are so many factors out there that it's impossible to analyse them all with the left-brain.

Fear kills intuition. You can't make decent choices if your emotions are wracked with negativity, and your mind is full of possible disaster scenarios.

If we are pro-active, and get over our fear, then the positive forces can help us. I've felt this in my own life...



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by HiAliens

Fear kills intuition. You can't make decent choices if your emotions are wracked with negativity, and your mind is full of possible disaster scenarios.



I disagree, but I can respect your own opinion.some might see things being discussed as negative, and disaster scenarios but I see it as looking for whats going to happen, we throw some possibilities around and who knows maybe it makes someones mind click and start thinking.

perception is in the eye of the beholder.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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Well it's a dual thing. Plan for the best and prepare for the worst.

It's not so much defeatism, it's a kind of passivity. Of course we should talk these things through, the discussions here are very valid. But that's only half the equation. The other-half is gettting out there and doing things. I don't see very much of this in the ATS community in general. Discussions are always centred around "what could happen", never "what shall we try to make happen."

It's not really aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a general vibe. I think people are semi-paralysed by fear, and unaware of our potential collective power.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Good point, so what should we make happen?

One thing we can make happen is we can raise awareness, the only way anyone is going to be active is to know what is going on, and what could happen. so raising awareness in that sense I do....I talk about it all the time trying to raise awareness, to people around me....it may not be much? but I am doing something.

so get the conversation going in the direction you want it to.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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defeat fear and it does make the rest clearer, y'all; sparsely populated areas away from the coast is preferred; altitude above sea level of 1000-1500 feet and being inland will help, as well as checking for earthquake zones/ fault lines in case of seismic activity; there is really no safe zone if certain scenarios play out,i.e. the ring of fire cooking off, yellowstone blowing, mt ranier or st helens; but high and dry and underground is preferred.

Humans invariably die, just remember the soul doesn't die with the body; fear is the mind killer and the tool used against us.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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O.K, P.Evil...
1) Acceptance of the situation/fate as it stands right now.
2) Realisation that the future is not fixed, but there are high and low probable outcomes.
3) Self-protection as far as possible, find a good place, save money, store food, build a community, prepare for the worst.
4) Stay aware of possible armageddon plans, always filtering info through discernment and intuition.
5) Fear should be a background buzz, a knife-edge pushing us to act. NOT an over-whelming, debilitating force.
6) Awareness that there are good guys, but they are limited by humanity's collective negative free-will and ignorance.
7) Awaken people, one by one, to the darkness, but also to the knowledge that there are good guys in the CIA, gov etc.
8) Awareness is useless without action.
9) Spreading awareness and exposing the plans is a powerful act. Alex Jones makes the point that there have been no more false flags because too many people know the trick.
10) Ultimate aim: take full knowledge of the NWO out from the underground to the mainstream, and attempt to reach critical mass.

Best I can do as a general plan and a direction. We can get to specifics later.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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Great list but it would make things alot easier if we had a mass disclosure incident or something to that affect. A nice ship to come down and park in the middle of the Super Bowl or something. haha



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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cplouffe. Yes it would be nice. But....
If they do exist, we need to do things ourselves. If they don't, likewise.

Why aren't they coming down/uncloaking? Because there is not enough resistance here and they are limited by free-will laws. It is becoming increasingly dangerous for us to sit around waiting for Jesus, Gaia, Teh Alienz to save us. The safest path is to become pro-active, and service to others oriented, and then we will be guided much more powerfully.
Works for me.
Service to others orientation is a great cure for depression and malaise. Took me a while to get there but I'm building momentum.
The armaggedon scenarios have frozen many of us into a "Fight or flight" catatonia, and we end up doing neither.



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