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15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by NGC2736
reply to post by whatukno
 



(On a side note, maybe TPTB want everyone tagged as a felon so only they and their cronies can vote. That's a surefire way to make a dictatorship.)




ding ding ding! i think you hit it right on the nosy! what is going on here people. im sorry but 15 year old boys are horny, horny. if we incriminate high school sex well have a bunch of children raised with the internet, were talking the golden age of kids who are going to see it on you tube, and you cant have an informed population if you want to close down the society.

so take their right to vote problem solved. smart move Gen X and Y make you kids criminals,




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:37 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I have actually had this idea for some time. Not that I'm saying it's a fact, or that I have any proof that there is a conspiracy to remove a great portion of the population from the registry of legal voters. But it is something to think about.

Here we have a 14 year old that could be disenfranchised because of something being blown all out of proportion to the "crime". Are we seeing the shadow of things to come? We notice this one because it is so blatantly an abuse of the legal process, but how many similar "crimes" pass unnoticed? Could this really be a way to account for the many plea bargains that mete out almost no punishment, yet succeed in removing a portion of a citizen's Constitutional Rights? (In this case, before they ever have a single chance to use the right to vote.)




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:31 PM
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THis is just rubbish & it goes to show hot screwed the legal systems of the west really are.

If a girl wants to take pics of herself & send em to her friends, lol its stupid, but hey, kids are kids.

As far as im concirned, it was just some innocelt fun. Instead of putting the poor kid away, they should be sitting her down & telling her of the dangers of doing such things. Ultimately, it's her that is in danger here, not the ppl she sent the pics to.

Also, if the ppl she sent the pics to were her age, then this shouldn't even be an issue. If she were an adult sending to young kids I would understand.

Teenagers are already having sex. As long as they stay within their age group there isn't a problem. Sy why do this to a young girl for a few pics... don't make sence.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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You have yet to answer this, and it's been asked a few times by members. Maybe I didn't see your response?

Do you think criminal actions should be taken against two 15 year old teens for having sex with each other?

I am not sure why you are avoiding this question.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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whatukno

You never answered this question

When a person grooms a child and asks for pictures they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and the child never gets in trouble for sending the pictures.

So if this case goes through does that mean all groomed children will also be prosecuted for distributing child pornography? Or will we let them off because of the circumstances? If we let them off then how can we prosecute this child?

If you can't answer this question then you have no arguement.


I would try and answer this question if I knew what groomed meant. Are we arresting people for brushing kids hair?

Basically if you are asking should kids that are tricked into giving pedophiles nude pictures of themselves punished. Yes! Stupidity should not be rewarded.

To be taking naked pictures of yourself at such a young age and putting them online or sending them to people that you do not know doesn't make you a victim, it makes you an idiot.

also if you are going to act in an adult manner you should be treated like an adult. Why is it that because she is a girl underage all of a sudden we are treating her with kid gloves? Would we have treated a 15 year old boy who sends pictures of himself nude to a girl he likes as if he were a victim?

Sorry being personally responsible for ones actions is something that should be learned.

This girl is not a victim, I don't know why people in this thread are thinking that shes some victim being unfairly prosecuted. She is the one that took the picture, shes the one that willingly sent the photo, shes the one that is responsible for creating illegal material. And yes she should be punished for this conduct.

Not as much as in the OP but I don't think letting her off with a stern warning is prudent either.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
also if you are going to act in an adult manner you should be treated like an adult.


Oh yeah? Treated like an adult????? Okay....

So then she was an ADULT sending a nude picture to her ADULT boyfriend!

What's wrong with that!?


Christ man you are all over the place with your logic, twisting everything so you can try and validate your point.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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This is different entirely. :shk:

Of course I don't believe that two teenagers should be prosecuted for having sex with one another.

But that's much different than creating an illegal photograph, a photograph then sent over a communications device.

A photograph by the way that is illegal for anyone but the creator to view.

Doesn't anyone understand that child porn pics are illegal for people to possess?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno

im just gonna copy and paste this...


A scolding of the child and taking away of her cell phone will do nothing. While charging her as a sex offender is too much I don't think we should condone this behavior. Really people, these are indeed children, but at the same time these are children that are turning into adults. They need to be held accountable for their actions at the age of 15.

Don't ruin her life forever, but at the same time don't just slap her on the wrist either. What she has done isn't a minor problem, it's a growing problem amongst our youth. It's a problem that must be dealt with harshly at the same time it must also be dealt with so that the child's life isn't ruined forever. But to do little or nothing about it is wrong and neglectful.


Why do you assume that a "talking-to" won't do anything? Or that her (foster) parents have already proven themselves incapable of handling the situation?

I'm not clear on what you consider to be a growing problem among our youth – if it's libidos run amok, I assure you they've been there for quite a while.

This case makes clear certain complications unique to the current generation, and this girl absolutely needs to be told about them. As I said a couple pages back, she needs to learn (and many adults would do well to learn) that if you take naked pictures of yourself and send them electronically to someone else, you run the risk of them going public.

This is an opportunity for a caring adult to sit this girl down and talk to her about the consequences of her actions – not the legal consequences, but the real world consequences. The legal consequences, in my opinion, will do nothing but stigmatize her and make her life difficult (I wouldn't want to put "registered sex offender" on my college application). She did something that seemed like a good idea at the time but could have had serious consequences – she needs to be talked to about pornography, and respecting yourself and your body, and the dangers of electronic communication. But why not let her guardians do their job?

I think you're confusing legality with condoning. Just because something is legal does not mean that society approves of it. It is perfectly possible to take a strong moral stance against a legal action. This is the sort of behavior that should fall into that category. We disapprove of the girl's act, most of us because she has put herself at risk in some way – whether because her pictures could come to the attention of a truly dangerous predator, or just because she could face the humiliation of having an ex-boyfriend show all his friends.

Those consequences are real – we don't need to add legal consequences. Just make her aware of the natural consequences of her behavior.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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What is the age of the person being depicted in the photograph? Was the person in the photograph of a consenting adult age?

This isn't rocket science, this is kids acting as an adult. In an adult manner in possession of material that would be illegal for adults to possess.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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You would think at this point when the vast majority don't see the light like you do, that you would pause for a moment and maybe think it's you that's not seeing it. Anyways.


Of course I don't believe that two teenagers should be prosecuted for having sex with one another.


A minor can't look at a nude pic of that girl but he can have sex with her?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
 


What is the age of the person being depicted in the photograph? Was the person in the photograph of a consenting adult age?

This isn't rocket science, this is kids acting as an adult. In an adult manner in possession of material that would be illegal for adults to possess.


No it is not rocket science. Which is why it baffles me your eyes suddenly close when certain points are brought up.

Look is she a minor or an adult?

Is the law to look at her as and adult or a minor?

Is she to be treated like an adult or a minor?

Just answer that for me because your posts jump from one to the other.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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So you're not arguing that she should be tried as an adult, when if she was an adult sending her bo a nudie picture, she would NOT be committing a crime, that this doesn't negate your case, because your case is that if she is an adult, possessing a photograph of herself nude it's pornography, possibly even if she is tried as an adult at 15, possessing a shot of herself nude at 15 would make her a pedefile. Wow. That blew me away.

So, my box full of photos, some are baby shots, and bathshots of myself as a kid, they're all pornography because I'm now an adult in possession of my own photos.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by mystiq]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:47 PM
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Oh My GOD people!!!

This is a 15 year old GIRL! Taking shots of herself naked FOR THE PURPOSE OF PORNOGRAPHY!

Does no one understand the problem with this?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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I think thats a bit extreme of a punishment. It should be along the lines of educational awarness of the dangers and defently have her cell phone taken away until she turns 18 or disableing the picture taken feature. I think that would be fair becuase we all know that we can not control our kids or watch them every second. they will do what they choose but they have to know that there is conquense of there actions. But she is a minor and kids are going to be kids



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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As long as you never show them to family and friends. Ever.

Otherwise, you will have to explain to them why you re-register every year as a distributor of child pornography.




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Not only that, for her to be tried as an adult at 15, but still be a child at 15 in the photo to make this work as something akin to being a pedefile can't be legally possible. Do you think?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Oh My GOD people!!!

This is a 15 year old GIRL! Taking shots of herself naked FOR THE PURPOSE OF PORNOGRAPHY!

Does no one understand the problem with this?




Correct. I see not the problem you are seeing.

Perhaps you need a new approach? A total paraphrasing?

Or maybe you can make sure you answer peoples questions? Cuz you skipped quite a few



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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She is either a child or she is an adult; the boyfriend is either a child or an adult. People have to make up their minds. Either she and the boyfriend are victims of vicious child pornography or they are adults who commited no crime.

They can't be both.....at least by some people's logic.





[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Exactly, if she's to be tried as an adult at 15, the same age she is in the photos, then she is an adult in the photos as well. And adults are not prohibited from sending nudie shots to their boyfriends with the express purpose of turning him on.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by mystiq]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:54 PM
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Child pornography laws are to protect minors from adults. Child pornography itself is about the interaction between adult and child. Child porn is not a naked pic of a child. Child porn is not teens having sex with teens. Child porn is not a teen mooning her teen friends. Child porn is when that pic is used by an adult for sexual deviance.



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