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15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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I have always wondered, why is ignorance(lack of knowledge or experience) generally a bane on society except in the context of sex and nudity where it is considered a virtue ?




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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I still have to ask how is creating felonious material normal?

Seriously, how is creating and distributing (this is what this "innocent" girl did) child pornography, normal adolescent behavior?

While I do concede that yes labeling her a sex offender probably is too much of a punishment, I do think that taking her phone away for a couple of months is downright neglectful on the part of the caregivers.

I'm sorry, if she for instance had a meth lab and was creating drugs in her basement, the punishment isn't going to be to take away her chemistry set for a couple of months. No, something substantial has to be done, not only to set an example of proper behavior of youth but to make sure that pedophiles don't find a new nifty loophole in the law in order to exploit our young people.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Double post sorry


[edit on 10/17/2008 by whatukno]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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I still have to wonder how, if a 15 year old girls takes a picture of HERSELF, it is considered creating child pornography. She took the picture. The picture was of herself. No one else was involved in that part of it.

Take everything else out of this situation and someone please explain the above to me, because that, in and of itself, confuses me and honestly makes no sense at all.

[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:36 AM
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Im gonna say one more thing and Im not going to read this thread anymore. People get to into these discussions.

***Scenario:

Im 15 years old, I take pictures of a 15 year old girl naked. I goto jail.***

Even if the pictures were consentual I still goto jail. Fact is we have double standards in our society. No matter how an act takes place the girls the victim.

Hell I remember when a girl wanted 3 boys (two younger than her) to make a porn of her with the three boys. The three boys went to jail for HER doing it. Dont ask for sympathy the jail time for crap like this is 20 years. 20 YEARS for a girl who consents. Frankly Id like to see girls start going to jail for ATLEAST 5 years for lying about being raped.

I was the victim of a false allegation of rape when I was 16, some 15 yr old girl got caught with me in her house. We were dating. She knew shed get in trouble so she said I raped her. Do you know how embarrasing that is to have to go down to the police station and give a statement with them telling you that youre lying? I mean come on, we go out of our way in this society to "protect the vagina". Its getting very very old.

Dont expect sympathy from any man when some girl gets what she deserves. Because if we did it, we would be in jail. Im sick and tired of double standards, girls are not ALWAYS innocent. They can be perverts too.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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Ok, ill really try and make this as simple as possible...

She took naked pictures of herself, to send to her boyfriend for the purpose of turning him on. This is pornography.

She is a minor under the age of consent, this makes her a child.

This is child pornography.

She willingly created a photograph that in and of itself is a felony to have. The recipient of this photograph, if he had not deleted the photograph immediately could be charged with possession.

She sent the photograph over a telecommunications device, this is distribution.

So, even though she took the photograph herself, it still is child porn because she herself is a minor under the age of consent and sent it to another minor.

Realistically I could see two charges here,

the first charge is lewd conduct for making the picture

the second charge is contributing to the delinquency of a minor by sending another minor illegal material.

Not life ruining charges as depicted in the OP, but certainly this girl has done something that can get people into very serious trouble. She has also shown by these actions that she is not responsible enough to be in possession of a camera phone.

But to allow nothing to happen to the girl would open up a serious loophole in the law allowing child pornographers the ability to create by proxy and distribute child porn, cause if it's not wrong for her to create the picture in the first place and send it over her phone then why would it be wrong for anyone else to be in possession of it?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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She took naked pictures of herself, to send to her boyfriend for the purpose of turning him on. This is pornography.

She is a minor under the age of consent, this makes her a child.

This is child pornography.

She willingly created a photograph that in and of itself is a felony to have.


This is what confuses me (and I am just talking about the picture and the taking of it). So, it is illegal for a minor to have a nude picture of oneself that they took of themself?

[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]

[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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No, if she had taken a picture of herself and kept it for herself that is not pornography.

She sent it to her boyfriend, to turn him on. That is pornography.

If she had taken a naked picture of herself and kept it to herself, none of this would have occured. The reason this is an issue is because she sent it to her boyfriend. Thats why it's distributing child pornography. The instant she sent a picture of herself naked to her boyfriend it ceased being a naked picture of herself and became a child porn picture.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:07 AM
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Explain this then.

Why is it that when a child is groomed online and sends pictures that child doesn't get done for distributing and the pervert receiving them rightfully goes to prison? Doens't this seem like a double standard? It's a childish mistake and i'm amazed you think this girl could be labelled a paedophile when she's just a stupid kid.

Either we prosocute her and rewrite the law so that any groomed child online who sends pictures of themselves also gets done for distributing, or we get a sensible judge who lets her off and we just carry on prosecuting the adult sickos out there.

Are you really going to label her a paedophile? One of those scum sucking, ceasepools of humanity? That seems far more than harsh to me.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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So, the real problem people have is not that she took a nude picture of herself. That's fine.

The real problem is that she sent the picture of herself to her boyfriend. Then, suddenly, by sending the picture of herself, she has created a picture that before was not child pornography but became one when she sent it, hence she is also disseminating child pornography.

Just as long as I know what everyone is so upset about....


I stick by my stand of this being an act of stupidity....not a criminal act. And, the girl needs counseling, not criminal labels that will stick with her for the rest of her life (once convicted of a felony, that stays forever).



[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Your opinion is soooo black and white. Do you know how common it is for people to have naked pictures of their spouse or whatever on their phone? If you don't it is very common. I know some very good hearted, clear headed, law abiding people that take naked pictures of their wife on their camera phones. That doesn't make them bad people, or porn pushers, or sexual offenders.



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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by skeptic1
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So, the real problem people have is not that she took a nude picture of herself. That's fine.

The real problem is that she sent the picture of herself to her boyfriend. Then, suddenly, by sending the picture of herself, she has created a picture that before was not child pornography but became one when she sent it, hence she is also disseminating child pornography.





[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



For the people who believe the problem is she sent the picture, what would you say if it was her boyfriend who took them for his own personal use, and they were never sent to anyone?

I think we have beaten this subject into the ground.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by schism85]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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In my mind, not a problem at all, considering they are dating, the same age, and no one forced anyone else to do anything.

Of course, in the eyes of a lot in society, I am sure that the boyfriend would be considered a sex offender and a child pornographer. And, of course if the girl would be the poor little victim....

And, yes, it is like beating a dead horse.

[edit on 10/17/2008 by skeptic1]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:30 AM
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I don't think she should be labeled a pedophile, I think that she does need to get some sort of punishment for her stupid act.

I mean owning a gun isn't illegal but to shoot someone with that gun is.

I mean from what I am reading in this thread the majority of people don't see the problem here. They think this is all fine hunky dory stuff and at the most they think that taking away her cell phone is just punishment like that is going to stop this aspiring porn star from doing this kind of stupidity in the future.

but what also worries me about this attitude of not doing anything but telling the child no and taking her phone away is the loophole it will create for actual pedophiles to exploit.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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No, if she had taken a picture of herself and kept it for herself that is not pornography.

She sent it to her boyfriend, to turn him on. That is pornography.

If she had taken a naked picture of herself and kept it to herself, none of this would have occured. The reason this is an issue is because she sent it to her boyfriend. Thats why it's distributing child pornography. The instant she sent a picture of herself naked to her boyfriend it ceased being a naked picture of herself and became a child porn picture.



So if her and her underage boyfriend choose to have sex with each other, do you think they should be charged with a felony? Even though it was consensual and even though they are both under the "age of consent" in their state?

If she touches herself in a sexual way by herself or in front of her boyfriend or touches him in a sexual way, should she then be charged with a felony? I mean, she is after all sexually molesting an underage child, correct?

Where is the line in your eyes??



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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I am not saying don't punish the girl. I am saying don't punish her criminally. Don't charge her with a felony that will follow her throughout her life. Don't criminally charge her with something that can possibly label her as a sex offender for the next 10 years.

Hell, yes, take away the phone. But, also put her in mandatory counseling where she can learn something and possibly begin to respect herself more.

This act of stupidity does not warrant criminal punishment.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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The comparison you made is exactly why I would deal with it the way I said. I would much rather be dealing with having found out my daughter was sending her boyfriend and a few friends nudie shots than my child was into hard drugs. Thats a whole different ball game, and hard to win on by the way. Whereas, due to the embarrassment of being caught, and the many risk factors in sharing pics online that can be shared, without one cop being involved, most children will start to self correct their behavior, as I myself noticed in both unrelated and related similar accounts with teenage girls. I have noticed that drugs, which are a far more serious nature than nudie shots, or teenage sexual activity providing of course that the teenager begins to be taught about choices, birth control, stds, also perhaps articles on relationships and dating.

Drugs are a battle that many lose on, and they lose the kid often to crime to support their behavior, or find their child hangs out with the group of sociopaths, as within this group they accept each other. They will become more loyal to the group that accepts each other than family members and steal from their own friends and relatives to support this habit and their friends use of substances. School ends. And bouts of being in and out of jail lie ahead.
Not due to misbehaving, or taking pictures of oneself, but due to break and enters and property thefts, or stealing from a local piza store, or ripping apart houses and breaking up the walls. I personally watched the downhill slide of a sweet young kid my sons knew since he was 6 go that way. He had to phone his mom to come and pick him up when he stayed over night, at midnight, because he was still unready for sleepovers. But due to learning disabilities and other things, he and his brother got too much to handle in teenage years so she gave them up to the system. Then she got into drugs for a short while. We let him visit, and saw his heart break, then harden, then suddenly the new friends and the drugs.

Sorry, you really are comparing apples and oranges. For some reason you can't see how minor this misbehaving is compared to the more serious worries families have.
To me, this really stems from a seeming inability for some to wrap their brains around teenage girls and sexual behavior. The age old whore/madonna syndrome. Believing that sex is a crime or sin, unless in wedlock. Actually most parents will win on the internet and sharing pictures issue, but won't win if she's already sexually active with her boyfriend. And their attitude is going to affect their relationship and openness and friendship with their child for the rest of their life on this issue, and if they chose to be harsh or disciplinarian.

A teenager who is already sexually active with a boyfriend is not going to be willing to stop and become a child again. They need to be taught how to prevent unwanted pregnancies and stds, and provided with birth control whether they want it or not! And further taught about relationship and various issues ahead of the game so they don't just get hurt a lot. Doing it the right way ensures an open trusting relationship and years of friendship. Doing this the wrong way, permanently fractures the bond and they realize you don't respect them or truly love them unless they act a certain way, and try to imagine for one minute what involving a police officer about such matters would do to your child image of you now, and 15 years later even with your grandchildren.

I don't think you've had children, or at least not teenagers, to not understand the line between parenting, teaching moments, guiding the child to make choices themselves that are healthy, helping children self correct their behavior and learn from their mistakes, and keep your friendship and openness strong, versus judgmental control and harshness.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by mystiq]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Adults acting in a consensual manner isn't the problem here. The problem here is underage kids acting in a very grown up fashion. The problem here is that for some reason people here in this thread are condoning the creation of child pornography because the participant was a willing subject for the photographs.

what two consenting adults do is their own business.

What a minor does is his caregivers business, and if the caregiver isn't competent enough to deal with the situation then the legal system has got to step in. Obviously the caregiver could not teach this child in the proper manner about online etiquette. So I feel that the state should step in and teach this child a rather harsh lesson.

No not labeling her a sex offender

But something more substantial than taking her phone away and telling her "bad girl".



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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just punishment like that is going to stop this aspiring porn star from doing this kind of stupidity in the future.



This is just wrong. Sad and wrong.

You dont know this girl, nor do you know her personality, nor do you know what punishments are affective on HER. At her age, if I had a cell phone and it had been taken away, THAT would have done the trick for ME.
I didnt need to be beat or thrown in jail to be taught a lesson. A good stern talking to and my favorite priveledges taken away was VERY GOOD punishment for me, my brothers and many other people I know.


I feel very sorry for this girl and all the horrible things that people are now going to say about her for making a mistake and being a stupid teenager. Its the adults that will ruin her life, not what she did.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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I believe some people think they are on a higher level than most of society, and can point the finger so recklessly without giving any thought to the real issue.

I think this horse is dead.



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