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15 Year Old Girl Charged as Sex Offender

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posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by logician magician

Let me guess... you went to school in North America?


Don't be so quick to jump the gun.

Most of the people in this debate that you are struggling to keep up with got edumicated in North America




posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:18 AM
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I agree Illusionsaregrander. Just look at the Republican Mark Foley's (sp?) life. He was the big anti-child porn guy in the house of representatives, and then he gets caught sexually harassing under age, male pages. It seems often that similar situations happen in our society.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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In Ohio a minor age 15 can be tried as an adult. This could get a lot more messy and blow into a much bigger problem than what that article is stating. If "bound over" to the grand jury things could get really ugly for that girl. Imagine her in an adult facility for women with a child porn charge.

I grew up in Ohio and seen minors her age go to prison on many occasions.

I'm sure that she meant no real harm but the law as it is and the way Oh prosecutors were when I lived there her little fun prank could become a real big deal.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:05 AM
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I think that in this case, jail time with hardened criminals would be too much of a punishment for what this teenager had done. She should face something in the way of consequences for having send the nude pictures of herself to others, but feel jailtime would be an extreme. It would be different if she had physically harmed someone or raped someone, but she didn't. Community service of some kind would be more appropriate of a punishment.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 02:33 AM
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I don't think she should be punished at all. This is a violation of the 4th amendment, as well as the 8th. It's her body, she should be able to do with it what she wants as long as she isn't forcing others to see her naked.

If this is criminal, then they had better close the entire internet, because probably almost every kid in the country has looked at nude pictures on the internet. Heck, the girl on High School Musical did the same thing.

If you catch your kid with a porno mag, are you going to have your kid arrested? What about your nieces and nephews if you don't have kids?

If you ever looked at pornography as a teenager, or done far more, then you should march yourself off to jail, or flog yourself or something if you think this girl should be punished in some severe manner.

Instead of trying to hurt the girl even more, tear her down even more, someone should sit down with her and give her a good heart to heart talk about not exploiting herself like this. That is what she needs. This is what would be in the best interest of the child.

It's like the stories of the parents who find out that their teenager had sex with another teenager, and want the other teenager to go to jail. Soon as it is pointed out that their kid would then also have to go to jail for the exact same reason, they immediately change their minds.

Yeah, let’s start hauling kids off to jail for getting caught in the act. Great logic, Swastikas for everyone.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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The response to this thread quite literally stuns me.. didn't think it could go this far...

Ok, so after much thought, I think I may be placing blame on this girl simply because I can't handle the perversion of minors in our society today. Kids just don't know what they're in for when it comes to sex. I will go as far as to say that most of them only do it cause it's "cool."

But the real issue here is that the girl is being charged unfairly. Its the wording of the law that damns her, not her actions. I think that the charges won't go far due to logic (hopefully).

Bottom line: Be a decent parent/guardian. Teach your kids about sex early. Its a wonderful thing, but in the end, its just sex. Not something to focus on at an early age.

Is it her fault, society's fault, the guardians' fault, tv's fault? Well it doesn't really matter. Just focus on your kid not turning into one of these.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:33 AM
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Coming to a new and different understanding is a very profound and admirable experience for ones Mind
And since I mostly agree with what you just said (hehe) I commend you much! Good post too.

Although I still think we need more evidence to think she was being slutty and not just being horny. That's just my personal take. I dunno..

 


Oh and Poet1B great post as well
Stars for both from me.

K I am outta here for a solid 24 I think, so thanks for the discussion everyone


[edit on 17-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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I think anyone one here who thinks that this girl is a sex offender for taking naked pictures of herself and sending them to other minors is mentally incompetent. She is fifteen. It's not like an adult took the pictures; she took the pictures. I'm sure some of the guys here have taken pictures of their genitals on their friends phone, at least something similar. If you are a kid, this is not a crime, this is hilarious. Even if you're not a kid, this may be obnoxious, it's still funny. Anyone who thinks this girl is a criminal should be sent to jail for being an idiot. She is fifteen!

I am not anonymous; I am o22a6ar. I couldn't remember my password. I just thought I'd let you know who thinks some of you are idiots. I do.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by SantaClaus
 


Coming to a new and different understanding is a very profound and admirable experience for ones Mind
And since I mostly agree with what you just said (hehe) I commend you much! Good post too.

Although I still think we need more evidence to think she was being slutty and not just being horny. That's just my personal take. I dunno..

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]


Yeah, being that my mother works for WIC, and living in a city where children get pregnant every day, I have some radical stereotypes in my head. This is just a small rung in the giant ladder of problems I see with the apathy of parents and the subsequent messed-up lives their offspring lead.

So yeah, I was more reacting to my overall bias than my actual outlook on this particular case.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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At the age of 11 I went skinning dipping with an 11 year old girl - but remembering back there was nothing sexual, it was a case of 'look there's a river, we don't have our swimming costumes on - what the hell!'.

Between the ages of 13 and 15 when the hormones kicked in we played several games in the ilk of 'show me yours'. At the age of 15 we both lost our virginity to each other.

I'm not saying the above is right and kids should behave that way - it's just that most do.

So what happened to this filthy whore? Crackhead? Prostitute? Actually at the age of 41 she's a State Registered Nurse. How do I know? She's my wife.

Kids do daft things. If they didn't they wouldn't be half the fun that they are - they'd be robots. May as well stick an IR transmitter in their frontal lobe and a GPS unit up their backside and hand the remote control to the Government.
Anyone who thinks this kid should be punished to the full extent of the law need to get a life because clearly they haven't experienced one themselves.

Damnant quod non intellegunt



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:34 AM
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It's funny, sad and scary all at the same time how initial reactions were, "OH MY GOD! TEN YEARS!?," instead of, "OH MY GOD! A MINOR IS SELLING PICTURES OF HER BODY!?"

It's also concerning (to me, at least) that certain people treated the act (of posing nude and then distributing the pictures) very casually and simply assumed that this is probably a normal thing amongst teens these days with sexual experimentation and all (that's college, by the way). This stuff doesn't just 'normally' occur. (I can assure you that even the most liberal of parents will be outraged if their daughter was caught doing something of this magnitude.)

There are, however, other evil and nasty things in this world like child prostitution rings in underdeveloped and impoverished countries. What are we doing about that? We're hardly even talking about it. But when mentioned to, most people simply shrug it off like it's not their problem. And the cold hard truth be damned: it isn't.

My goodness, people! WHAT in the HELL is going on?!

Also, I would like to note one fact that many people seem to have overlooked. The ten years is for her name being entered in the sex offender registry. People, however, are probably visualizing something extreme like a tight security juvenile prison and picturing her as a young adult taking her first breath outside jail afterward, even though they will later see past their initial feelings and objectively assess this. They'll also realize that it will not be the lack of sunshine and gumdrops for our celebrity "experimenting," "free-spirited" girl.

She will have a relatively 'normal' life. People will surely forget about it by the time she's 20. And hey, it would be poetic irony if she turns out to be a professional strip dancer for the rest of her beauty days, wouldn't you say?

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Lucidliving]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by SantaClaus
The response to this thread quite literally stuns me.. didn't think it could go this far...

Ok, so after much thought, I think I may be placing blame on this girl simply because I can't handle the perversion of minors in our society today. Kids just don't know what they're in for when it comes to sex. I will go as far as to say that most of them only do it cause it's "cool."

But the real issue here is that the girl is being charged unfairly. Its the wording of the law that damns her, not her actions. I think that the charges won't go far due to logic (hopefully).


Well the law is blind and that is how it should be, however i would like to think that the judge will throw it out of court as a waste of time and hopefully give the prosecuters a talking to. Sadly sensible judges are uncommon.

Look if this had been a 20 year old taking pictures of her, then quite simply i'd be baying for his blood. If she had been groomed online by a 40 year old sicko, again i would be outraged. However she took them herself for what seems like a bit of attention. It was a misguided and stupid thing to do but hardly worthy of legal action.

A talking to by her parents, maybe get a police officer to havea calm word and general punishments like her phone being taken away would have been more than enough.

I'm just really sad that her entire life wil be ruined by being on the sex offenders register. Imagine when she grows up and wants a job, or hell even if she has her own children! Will she have to have social workers checking on how she behaves with her own children when she's old enough to have them? Just because of a very stupid, misguided mistake at a young age?



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 05:07 AM
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The world is getting more screwed up by the day. Its not just in America; it here in the UK and Europe too. The establishment needs to wake up and realise that kids are growing up faster these days - physically and mentally for several reasons.

1. The older generations have created a visually, and sexually obsessed culture. Wether you like it or not, its here to stay. Kids are growing up imersed in it - how can we be suprised when their standards of accepability are more liberal?
2. New technology means that kids these days 'publish' things as a matter of course, daily - and we need to realise that the old definitions and rules of 'publishing' just can't work anymore.
3. Better diets and healthcare mean that physically kids are actually developing much earlier. Back in the Victorian era girls often did not hit puberty until they were 18 or 19, now the average in the west is more like 11 or 12.

I'm not trying to condone child porn or anything here - what I am saying is that the world has changed, for better or worse, and that using the old legal apparatus in the context of the present will just create a chaotic, extremely unfair state of affairs where innocent kids and teens end up being cast as criminals - meanwhile, the real criminals, wether they be of the financial variety or hard-core child abusers, are getting away scott free.

This will only lead to the younger generations feeling further alienated from the ruling classes, and will lead to a further breakdown of respect.

Something needs to seriously change.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Does anyone else notice that those most vehemently opposed to this girls actions, the ones who want the whole world to come down on her head, are also the ones who discuss her actions in the most lurid detail?


I agree with what you are saying, and yes I have heard the same thing about those that get overly obsessed.

However on the net some people do get quite paranoid about that stuff. If people have a habit of exchanging pix online, or if they (and quite a few guys do) hunt around sex sites for images they have reason to worry.

Every once in a while you will hear about some guy getting arrested and having his computer seized for some non-child porn related reason. If he happens to have a large porn pic collection they may discover thousands of pics, and if one or two are deemed "underage" they will charge the guy with possessing child porn. A reasonable person would realize if the guy had 11,998 images of 30 year old bleach blonds with double D chests the 2 pics of a 15 year old "schoolgirl" were obviously a mistake, but the law doesn't view it that way.

That material is out there. I have come across images that would qualify a couple of times (they did not involve children being victimized for the purpose of taking pics, but they would have qualified) and yes it causes paranoia. Unless you plan to reformat your hard drive, once you "see it", it is on your hard drive regardless of whether it was deleted.

It is definitely not a good thing to have out there, and I understand how it makes some people paranoid.



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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Okay I know I said I was logging out, but I checked the thread right before I was going to bed, doh!


Originally posted by Lucidliving
It's funny, sad and scary all at the same time how initial reactions were, "OH MY GOD! TEN YEARS!?," instead of, "OH MY GOD! A MINOR IS SELLING PICTURES OF HER BODY!?"


OH MY GOD... where did you get "selling" from



very casually and simply assumed that this is probably a normal thing amongst teens these days with sexual experimentation and all


It's a safe assumption, if there ever is one. It's part of human nature and it starts in the teen years. Sexual experimentation is a normal thing. The mere fact that most in this thread have attested to that should serve as solid evidence for this. No?


This stuff doesn't just 'normally' occur.


What stuff? Gang bangs? Yeah probably not. Getting naked? Probably.


(I can assure you that even the most liberal of parents will be outraged if their daughter was caught doing something of this magnitude.)


Oh you can, can you?
How is that exactly?


There are, however, other evil


What this girl did was not evil.


The ten years is for her name being entered in the sex offender registry. People, however, are probably visualizing something extreme like a tight security juvenile prison


And you are grossly undermining the severity of being registered as sex offender of children for ten years!...


She will have a relatively 'normal' life.


"Relatively"? This "crime" does not justify that she should only have a "relatively" normal life. *sigh*


People will surely forget about it by the time she's 20.


I seriously doubt everyone is going to forget considering she will have 5 more years to go as a registered sex offender classed as a distributor of child pornography



And hey, it would be poetic irony if she turns out to be a professional strip dancer for the rest of her beauty days, wouldn't you say?


After some of the things people have said about her in this thread I would say it will be poetic justice when she turns out being a saint


[edit on 17-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 06:49 AM
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This is INSANE. Poor girl...



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 07:48 AM
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Take a sociology class. Its always the fault of the society. So if you can sit here and talk abut a fifteen year old girl...in the words of george carlin "UNFINISHED WORK!"
and tell the state to but the hell out. she is not done yet. You think you were different. well chances are you didnt own a cell phone with picture messaging. And to the state again. you may think your big brother but your not the boss. this is none of your F#$%^&* business. I think we are all due for a slap in the face if we have grown ass adults calling the police on an ignorant underdevoloped girl. id be careful all you "adults who are going to throw this girl to the COURTS cause if there is a god, im sure your going to hell. omg i about pee my pants when i go to court over unpaid tickets. This poor girl were sending her to a judge. she needs a real women to let her know she is worth more than that! Is her life not valuable. i mean serioiusly. Wow you all need to get off the flouride, turn off your damn tv ask your self why a 15 year old needs a cell phone with picture messaging???

I know this paragraph makes no sense im just so pissed off at the coments i see, and hear from people i work with. We lost our way, and you all are too stupid to see that people have feelings and hers are hurt. and her idea of sex is all effed up now/ and thats my novel
I hate all of you including myself goodnight



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:06 AM
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I would have been super pissed off, and heartbroken if someone then was to pull the plug on our relationship. I was in inpatient at a hospital before for a week, and when she would come to visit me, they would threaten, but they never really did anything. I was 14 going on 25.

I believe you are talking about that teacher Mary Kay Letourneau, she was the one charged with being a sex offender. They are now married, and have children together.

[edit on 17-10-2008 by schism85]



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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Whoever thought this was a legal issue, i would pay to have a full audio of what was going through their brain. nothing. absolutely nothing. who got these kids cell phones and as stupid i think it is to let a kid have a cell phone i dont think this is a legal issue. want to know why we have kids with cell phones

parents are terrified their kid will get abducted by a real perv, cell phone provide peace of mind.

real perv has learned that kids have cell phones. hell do what he does just learn how to find and take their phone before he abducts.

police cant go find the perverts and sit uncle pervys sorry ass in prison because our courts are filled with non violent criminals. and i guess 15 year olds who just need a simple life changing conversation. not a court order.

so we bring it on ourselves. so next time you see your local police officer doing a drug bust, or being a dick, or charging you obscene amounts of money for going 5 over. tell to pull his heaf out of his ass and go find a rapist or a child molester.

be real, prison is for people who hurt people.

for every trial that judge attends that is not a trial for rape or murder of domestic violence, theft, or arsen. There Is a rapist or child abuser whos getting away with it,

this really kills me
so do remind your local to police to pull their head out of their asses and catch a real criminal. I dont hate anyone i just hate the state such a great people like us are in. priorities



posted on Oct, 17 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Torsten
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I completely agree with you. Starred. The rest of you on here should be ashamed for agreeing with the "Law's" decision. She's fifteen. Do any of you not remember what being fifteen is like? Kids are stupid. That's a fact.



I remember what 15 was like perfectly, and the last thing I wanted to do was take naked pictures of myself. If this is a female thing then maybe we should look at how people are raising their daughters. This is the "protect the vagina" paris hilton world we now live in.

The girl is 15 yes, 15 year olds make mistakes so what? Thats why we charge them as MINORS. Just like I said. Charge her as a minor. Thats justice. Frankly more girls should be charged for nude pictures. Theyre all over the internet.

I was raised better, fact is kids that arent commit crimes.



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