OFFICIAL- Final U.S. Presidential Debate

reply to post by buddhasystem


I didn't say I saw the balance changing, but I don't trust polls, either. Today alone, Obama's spread was anywhere from 14% to 2%....depending on the poll.

Tonight wasn't a game changer by any means, but I do think McCain might gain a little ground.

Originally posted by davion
A gaffe by McCain was when he mentioned autism and said Sarah Palin knows about it first hand.

Palin's son has down syndrome not autism.

Beyond that I think it's pretty lame trying to claim that, just because a woman like Sarah Palin has a kid when she's in her forties (which generally leads to birth defects) suddenly she's an expert on the subject of special needs.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by davion]

i don't think it was a gaffe, mccain isn't stupid, he knows the difference between autism and down syndrome. but it was a blatant spin that anyone with half a brain can see through. he spun it anyway. that indicates to me that he doesn't credit voters with a lot of intelligence and/or that he was preaching to stupid people with that one.

hmmm.

You know McCain is on to something when Obama gives that eerie smile.
Body language is everything.

Originally posted by Alxandro
You know McCain is on to something when Obama gives that eerie smile.
Body language is everything.

Even titans of Obama's caliber are not gods. It's hard to keep your composure in the face of ignorant hubris.

reply to post by davion


I have not yet been able to watch the debate, but will be able to check the DVR tomorrow. I fervently avoid any talking head speech re: debates, policy, legislation and any other serious aspect of this country's current political process. I have begun reading the transcript and am having a difficult time understanding much of what Sen. McCain said. I know I'm not the smartest person around, as my sig. other would gladly confirm, but I can generally understand most things I read. Could someone please translate for me?

It greatly disturbs me that this man is contending to take over for W. Haven't we seen enough of the vapid, gut feeling, bully posturing "leadership" offered up by the GOP. I could have considered McCain in 2000 because he had yet to whore himself to the Rovian machine, but the caricature of his former political self that's apparently been pieced together by the right wing ptb offends this generally sensible, rational American.

What a painful debate...


McCain Walkin on eggshellls

BO refuseing to answer the question he was given...

Each one of them taking turns to see who could put out the more socialistic fiscal policy...


Its sickening...


So which of these bottem of the barrel canidates was less worse...

And its a close call...


But eaither way... i can tell you this, the people of this o#ry lose, whoever takes power...

There is NO WAY to stop the transformation of the US into the USSA

The United Socilist States of America...


I would post the anthem of the Soviot empire... but that would just be too much right now...

reply to post by dbates


Obama is smooth like Ronald Reagan and has remembered the middle class, unlike Ronny and the Bushmen. He answered well when McCain tried to distort his platform. He used the "Joe Plumber" contrivance to follow McCain's construction. [Sarah's Joe Sixpack had probably passed out waiting to hear the details of the GOP platform]
McCain showed much better this time but still came off as a grumpy old man. He was more coherent and didn't wander as much but his previous debates had set a low bar to cross. His "I am not George Bush" hearkened back to another Republican president's "I am not a crook."
I believe that many looked at his selection of Sarah and flunked him on executive decision making. There was a rumor floating about that he had planned to select Lieberman but that his advisors had convinced him to select Sarah to spice things up. Anyone but Spiro Agnew would have been a better VP candidate.

reply to post by skeptic1


I agree with you skeptic1.I believe McCain brought substance to his stance tonight.

whoever gets in here is going to have a hell of a mess to clean up; this means a colossal amount of work. so another thing for americans to consider is ... which of the two has the fortitude and stamina?

Yes , this by far was a much better debate in my opinion .... it brought out both candidate's true colors even though I have already known all along who is full of it and who is not.

When I browse through these debate threads I come across the same individuals that pop up in the ufo threads , in the oct. 14 threads , in personal discussion threads and so on and so on .... the ones who totally dilute the original topic with nothing but garbage trying to force their personal beliefs on everyone else.

I tend to associate these people with unfortunately the people that vote for McCain ..... They have lost sight of what really matters and no longer understand the concept which is reality.
I'm saying this based on the fact that voters continue to back their nominee (in this case JM) when he is clearly out of touch with Americans and with life in general.

You have individuals who will say that McCain is winning when it is clearly the opposite , I feel like I live in the twilight zone sometimes where everything is ass backwards .... Obama is very clear and easy to understand , very polite , professional and what all of us should look for in a presidential candidate yet unfortunately thats not the case.

I feel all the knowledgeable men/women have already jumped ship and the stubborn ones who wont admit that their party sucks and that theres a good chance if they win we will be literally f*cked ..... just seems like they don't understand the real world ramifications this will have if we put another douchebag in office.

On the topic of everything Obama answered openly and honestly , cool calm & collected where as John McCain was so nervous and stuttering and blinking I seriously thought he was constipated (taking a dump for you slower folk).
None of it made sense all he did was try to attack Obama's plan instead of explaining what he's gonna do he just keeps repeating "I will do it , I'm gonna do it & I know how to do it , .... I'm gonna do it" with this autistic look on his face.

And i have to wonder how far as nation have we fallen when this is what we have to deal with a presidential nominee who speaks to us like were all idiots , speaks in code 90% of the time(earmarks , golden cadillacs ?) and doesnt do anything except criticize the other party and makes crap up as he goes along...

Low & behold , people still want to vote for him .....
Obama speaks of real issues that face us as a nation and also as a species , you can tell from his character and composure that he is intelligent and has all humans as his best interest whereas to McCain I feel we are nothing more than numbers.

All I can do is hope either Obama wins or that voters vote's dont really count if McCain wins somehow because we are screwed if he does , it's easy for me to see and alot of others too but there still are so many blind walking amongst us that its hard to envision a positive outcome to all this with all the negative things that have happened in the past and continue to happen each day ... its like i expect the worst because i've have come to expect the worse from humans and life in general.

This will decide our fate here & now .... Face reality and do the right thing , look out for your future and your children's future as that is what really matters , this is not fantasy land where an old senile war vet and a dingbat ex beauty queen will be able to run our country properly and direct us towards our next step of evolution

I mean what do people think this is , some kind of reality tv drama ?

anyways i could go on forever about whats screwed up with this country , this debate and people in general but why bother

It will fall on 90% deaf ears

To the true brothers/sisters .... stay true and keep your head high as good will prevail one way or another whether it has to be in this life or the next.

Thanks for everyone's time , sorry for the long post and if it doesn't make alot of sense I'm running on empty ATM so cut me some slack< Peace

reply to post by EliteLegends


awesome post. and this is going to sound awful coming from an outsider but i think you've highlighted one of BO's issues. the education system in your country is failing you which leads to people voting from a rather uninformed viewpoint.

I commend you on the balanced view of the debate:

Originally posted by pteridineObama is smooth like Ronald Reagan and has remembered the middle class, unlike Ronny and the Bushmen.

Agreed.

McCain showed much better this time but still came off as a grumpy old man. He was more coherent and didn't wander as much but his previous debates had set a low bar to cross.

He was more than that.

I believe that many looked at his selection of Sarah and flunked him on executive decision making. There was a rumor floating about that he had planned to select Lieberman but that his advisors had convinced him to select Sarah to spice things up. Anyone but Spiro Agnew would have been a better VP candidate.

Look , I can look at the gamma ray spectrum collected by our UAV over Iran and tell you the probability that they have a working nuke (yes, I need I a few reference books and a computer). Sarah Palin can't do that.

Biden can't do this either but from what I saw he would listen to me, for a change.


[edit on 15-10-2008 by buddhasystem]

reply to post by EliteLegends


Do you think it would be too much to make your post my signature?

I am not surprised so many people will vote for McCain..... GW was elected TWICE. I lost my faith in the American then!

I am surprised that a conspiracy/underground forum has sooo many republicans. That's plain nuts! Kinda like space ships coming to town on the 14th

Too bad Ron Paul would not/will not be elected. And too bad he endorsed that numb nuts Chuck Baldwin... I got an email from his party that rubbed my the WRONG way. I don't have any plans on going to a church to be cured of this homosexual disease Mr. Baldwin....but thanks for the suggestion.

I don't really know what Obama said, but I know it involved "four years of failed policies" and "eight years of failed policies" with nearly every response he had.

1. Are you already Decided upon a Candidate, Or Undecided?

Tentatively decided before debate: Obama
More sure after debate: Obama

2. If Undecided, What if Anything must a Candidate do in order to Win you over?

Show me the way they would handle the problems I consider important, and back up their plan with solid evidence/thinking.

3. What must Senator McCain do to Score Points?

Give me an explanation of why he suspended his campaign that doesn't make me believe he did so for personal gain, and somehow explain away both his admiration for the present administration (admittedly only since the nomination) and his suggestion recently that Bush could bypass Congressional action to implement the (then failed) bailout bill via executive order.

4. What must Senator Obama do to Score Points?

Give me specifics on how he will correct the economic problems with the nation, both short-term and long-term.

5. What did you like/dislike about Senator McCain during the Debate?

He did try to distance himself from the Bush administration, but he also continued his negative campaigning. Specifically, he tried to brush off Palin's accusations of supposed Obama ties to terrorists, then immediately demanded an explanation of such. He also worked very hard to include the same talking points that he has become well-known for ("giving money to nations that don't like us very much"). He also apparently feels he knows Obama's plan better than Obama does, continuing to berate a concept at one point that Obama had just refuted as completely false.

6. What did you like/dislike about Senator Obama during the Debate?

He also went 'negative' to a degree, but less than McCain. I did get a lot of new information, and some of his ideas appeared sound in principle. I especially liked the idea of allowing scholarships in return for community service and using the crumbling infrastructure to create new, higher-paying jobs.

All in all, I thought McCain started out extremely well, striking a good blow with the statement "if you want to run against George Bush, you should have ran four years ago". But he seemed to fall back into his old ways of partial truths, missing information (like wanting to tax benefits), and talking points that have made me distrust him.

Obama started out slow, stammering a bit as he spoke (which he does do quite often). But about halfway through, he was still gaining steam while McCain seemed to be running out of ideas. I also think he hit a home run when the subject of education came up, and his clarification of insurance requirements for small businesses put my mind at ease somewhat.

I think Obama won the debate, and I think he will become the next President. I just hope that will turn out to be a good thing.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by CreeWolf
I don't really know what Obama said

I don't suspect a case of AADD, do you?

but I know it involved "four years of failed policies" and "eight years of failed policies" with nearly every response he had.

Scratch AADD, you nailed it.

HELLO!!!
The election is F*cking rigged and the theme is garbage anyway.
Both liars are serving their same master.
Get with it.
By the way the moon looked amazing tonight in NY. That stuff makes me smile

It was nice to see McCain showing his appreciation of Palin, wistfully referring to her as "a breast of freth air".
Was the lipsticked pitbull still on his mind when he referred to "nuclear pants"?

On the other hand, Obama, describing Palin, found himself stammering pitifully, lost for words. I guess finding nice things to say about the barracuda who stirred up her audience to yell "terrorist" and "kill him" would have been difficult.

Btw, does McCain really think Down's Syndrome and Autism are the same thing?

Most interesting quote for the night?
In defence of not having an exception to the late term abortion ban for when it is necessary to save the mother's life:

"That's the extreme abortion position, quote, health."

Doesn't seem quite right that a wannabe president should think consideration of the mother's right to life is an extreme position.

Originally posted by EliteLegends
Yes , this by far was a much better debate in my opinion .... it brought out both candidate's true colors even though I have already known all along who is full of it and who is not.


You have individuals who will say that McCain is winning when it is clearly the opposite , I feel like I live in the twilight zone sometimes where everything is ass backwards .... Obama is very clear and easy to understand , very polite , professional and what all of us should look for in a presidential candidate yet unfortunately thats not the case.

I am glad that you took the time to put forth your opinions in so much detail. However, I do feel this will be an extremely close race, or in other words there is no real clear front-runner as of yet. So far it looks as though we are witnessing a race similar to 2000. Vice-President Al Gore lead the current President Bush by 11-Points in the Polls this time of year. We are already witnessing MAJOR Ballot issues as well, which only adds further to the "Decision 2000" Comparisons.

Originally posted by Kailassa


Most interesting quote for the night?
In defence of not having an exception to the late term abortion ban for when it is necessary to save the mother's life:

"That's the extreme abortion position, quote, health."

Doesn't seem quite right that a wannabe president should think consideration of the mother's right to life is an extreme position.

The reason behind that is the fact that during the Late Term of Pregnancy, Child-birth can be brought about Prematurely through Contraction inducing drugs. If there is a Health problem, and it is during the Late Term, there is still a chance to have the baby birthed alive. That is why Late Term abortions in such scenarios are not necessary, and I am saying that from a Medical perspective, not a Political one.