OFFICIAL- Final U.S. Presidential Debate

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
Mccain is really strange. McCain generally want you to earn everything that you get, no freebies.

But when it comes to vouchers he wants to pay for private schooling for parents that can't afford

Speaks for McCains hyprocrisy, doesn't it?

He's a pinko socialist crossed with Tarzan.

If I took a shot every time one of the candidates said “Joe” and “plumber” I’d have alcohol poisoning by now. That was the most BS part of the debate.

I just got home for work...couldn't watch the debate and haven't read the entire thread...can anyone give me a brief summarize of what happen in the debate? Objective please.

Who got the best line? Who got his point across better? Any gaffes? Any body expressions?

Who won?

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


It was better than the last debates.

Too many people used "Maverick" and "My friends" as shot words.

[edit on 10/15/2008 by skeptic1]

Great points Rap. I don't agree that McCain won, only in the sense that while O'Bama played things safe, he did answer what was asked of him. Further, I am impressed that the GOP calls him out on not having a clear answer on things. I couldn't disagree more. O'Bama spoke about every nuance of his healthcare plan, energy spending, the cuts he would make in foreign oil - as well as a timeline (i.e. 10 yrs) which McCain DIDN"T answer. He spoke on education reform and most of all........... HE DIDN'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO REPUTE PALIN FOR HER INEXPERIENCE AND OBVIOUS LACK OF SUBSTANCE, HE ALSO DIDN'T CALL OUT THE GOP FOR 'FAILING' TO DISMISS COMMENTS MADE AT RALLIES ABOUT O'BAMA (I.E. BEHEADING THE TERRORIST).
He could have gone "there" on McCain and it would've been VERY interesting. I thought he was the SMART and better man for not powning the ole' man on that one...

For someone who whined about Obama's ads being negative and attack ads - McCain sure did alot of attacking and mudslinging.

I despise that about politics - I want to know about what YOU intend to do about the economy -what your foreign policy will be. Tell me what YOU are going to do and then I will decide which of the two of you appeals to me better.

Obama presented better
I like Obama's ideas better
McCain did better this time than in other debates but he still came up short.


B.



[edit on 10/15/08 by Bleys]

I already know that those who support Senator Obama will judge him the Winner, and those who support Senator McCain will judge him as the Winner of tonights Debate.

However, all issues considered, can most of us at least agree that Senator McCain did MUCH better tonight than in the previous two debates? I felt that this was finally closer to a true debate, and Senator McCain at the VERY LEAST held his own this time.

We heard an awful lost of criticism this past week that if Senator McCain did not have a strong showing, his campaign would "Be Over".


Regardless of whom you believe to be the Winner of this Debate:

Did Senator McCain have a strong showing tonight?

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by AndrewTB

 

I am seeing the opposite of what you posted.

At least from the pundits and focus groups.

Me too, I see the opposite. What channels are you watching AndrewTB?


[edit on 15-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by Bunch


Best line: McCain to Obama, "I am not George Bush; if you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run 4 years ago." or McCain calling Obama "Senator Government".

Clearest in points: Obama for the most part

Gaffes: Lots of "ums" from Obama, some tongue twisters by McCain

Body Expression: McCain had eye contact with Obama, spoke directly to him; Obama looked frustrated and amused at times; McCain blinked a lot and looked like a grumpy old man at times

Who Won: McCain took the first half hands down, Obama caught up in the last half; McCain won by a bit (he was much, much better than in the previous debates).

Here's the transcript if you want to see it....Debate Transcript



[edit on 10/15/2008 by skeptic1]

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
However, all issues considered, can most of us at least agree that Senator McCain did MUCH better tonight than in the previous two debates?

I agree with Obama more than McCain but as I already stated I agree with you. I think McCain did win on points and passion but I doubt it will help him.

Felt like McCain talked more about Obama than he talked about himself. Again. I know what Obama wants, he's made it pretty clear over these past three debates, and through his stump speeches. In contrast, I barely know what McCain wants to do, specifically, about most issues.

FAUX NEWS is now being more pro-Obama than CNN.

That's the end for McCain.

There is a new Master in the House.

CNN did a phone poll of people who watched the debate. The breakdown of those polled was: 40% Democrat 30% Republican 30% Independent, which is fairly representative of the voting public (with the exception of Independents) which is: 36% Democrat 27% Republican 37% Independent.

Who did the best job in the Debate?

Obama- 58%
McCain- 31%

Opinion of Obama:

Favorable- Before- 63% After- 66%
Unfavorable- Before- 35% After- 33%

Opinion of McCain:

Favorable- Before- 51% After- 49%
Unfavorable- Before- 45% After- 49%

Estimated poll error- +/- 4%

reply to post by buddhasystem


Not necessarily....a lot can happen in 20 days.

Things can change.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
If I took a shot every time one of the candidates said “Joe” and “plumber” I’d have alcohol poisoning by now. That was the most BS part of the debate.

that was annoying because of what i call the 'false logic' applied to joes situation by mccain and his party. the situation joe is in at the moment is nothing to do with obama or his policies for the future. if he does manage to buy the plumbing business and crack the 250k thresh-hold it's only THEN he'll be subject to obamas tax policies. by that stage it'll be 'because' of Obamas policies that joe managed to wrack up so much income. (because Obama has given the little people a break)

did i read that right?

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Not necessarily....a lot can happen in 20 days.

Dear Skeptic1,

I wholeheartedly agree.

Barring a terrorist attack, however (see a separate thread) I don't see the balance change.

I have a lot of respect for McCain. It's just he's not the right person right now and the debate didn't change my view of him (yes, I do have a problem or two with Obama as well).

A gaffe by McCain was when he mentioned autism and said Sarah Palin knows about it first hand.

Palin's son has down syndrome not autism.

Beyond that I think it's pretty lame trying to claim that, just because a woman like Sarah Palin has a kid when she's in her forties (which generally leads to birth defects) suddenly she's an expert on the subject of special needs.

[edit on 15-10-2008 by davion]

Originally posted by buddhasystem
FAUX NEWS is now being more pro-Obama than CNN.

That's the end for McCain.

There is a new Master in the House.

that's simply because they can't keep denying the facts. what's funny about fox is they've consistently focused on every negative they can wrack up and spin on Obama, yet they don't seem to be able to find a lot of positives in which to promote their own man, McCain.

Watching Mitt Romney speaking in Fox News makes me wonder why he didn't got elected in the first time!

I would have voted for him hands down! I would have even voted for McCain is Romney where on the ticket!

McCain isn't the world's best debate person. He made some good points, but I don't know that it's enough. The way I see it Obama is the Old West snake-oil salesman with the potion that will cure disease, impotence, and make hair grow back. I think half of the US will vote for Obama just because he's a smooth talker. I just don't know enough about him. He hasn't been around long and the unknown is spooky to me. Better the devil you know right? That puts me on the McCain side still despite what happened tonight.