Obama Acceptance Speech

You're either lying to yourself, or lying to the rest of us.

I'm no Clinton fan actually, but he was a competent manager, at the very least.

As far as 9/11 goes, you really need to cut down on the rightwing Koolaid...

When Clinton's national security people tried to brief the neocons about the threat posed by Al Quaeda, they were practically laughed out of the room.

The neocons had already made up their mind that the "real threats" were Iraq and China

When Clinton's national security people tried to brief the neocons about the threat posed by Al Quaeda, they were practically laughed out of the room.

I suppose that's why Henry Kissinger stole the documents from the National Archives regarding what they knew about 9/11. He was caught stuffing the papers down his pants.

Remember that in the news and when they were trying to prosecute him?

You are making things up to convenience you.

Clinton was not a good manager. His administration gave away our most sensitive technologies and added to the debt significantly.

Because of his illegal activities in moving export controls, China is 10 years farther ahead than they would be at this time.

The Clinton administration did more long-term National Security damage than all other administrations combined before him.

Obama is obviously worse yet.

You are making things up to convenience you.

I would point out the irony here, but I'd probably be wasting my breath.

Everything I have said is backed up by documented fact - look it up.

And Henry Kissinger?!? You don't even know what you are talking about.

reply to post by xmotex


I think jet was trying to reference Clinton’s former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger.

Sandy Berger

[edit on 29-8-2008 by CreeWolf]

reply to post by Hal9000


Obama's Speech did absolutly nothing to sway my vote to him! I am the middle of the road independant that he's trying to reach and i see empty promises and to much anger coming from Obama!

Plus Knowing my taxes will atleast double and have to Pay a tax to the oil companies when he goes after their profits really casts any doubt on Obama.

He says he's all about change then goes and picks the currently longest running senator as his running mate. yeah that's change i can believe in! (sarcasm intended) All he has shown is its politics as usual i'll tell people what they want to hear and fool them later.

So if by some chance of hell freezing over this puppet gets into office and he renigs on these promises of change you and all his supporters will come in here and tell the rest of us your sorry right?


reply to post by yankeerose


And you think that if Obama gets elected you will beable to pay your bills? LOL expect your taxes to atleast double under an Obama Administration.


I think i'm going to find a nice island to live on

Originally posted by CreeWolf
reply to post by mental modulator

 

John McCain is going to lower taxes, get us out of Iraq with dignity instead of hightailing it out of there like a whipped dog, have a much better foreign policy rather than trying to have a "dialogue" with people who know only violence and radicalism, cure cancer, and give you a free puppy.

.....hey, it JUST SO HAPPENS the Republicans have their little pow-wow next week! Maybe we should talk about it then?

PS: thankyou jetxnet

[edit on 29-8-2008 by CreeWolf]

www.johnmccain.com...

Keep Tax Rates Low: Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and prosperity. Entrepreneurs create the ultimate job security - a new, better opportunity if your current job goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission. John McCain will keep the top tax rate at 35 percent, maintain the 15 percent rates on dividends and capital gains, and phase-out the Alternative Minimum Tax. Small businesses are the heart of job growth; raising taxes on them hurts every worker.

Cut The Corporate Tax Rate From 35 To 25 Percent: A lower corporate tax rate is essential to keeping good jobs in the United States. America was once a low-tax business environment, but as our trade partners lowered their rates, America failed to keep pace. We now have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, making America a less attractive place for companies to do business. American workers deserve the chance to make fine products here and sell them around the globe.

Allow First-Year Deduction, Or "Expensing", Of Equipment And Technology Investments: American workers need the finest technologies to compete. Expensing of equipment and technology will provide an immediate boost to capital expenditures and reward investments in cutting-edge technologies.

Establish Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D: This reform will simplify the tax code, reward activity in the United States, and make us more competitive with other countries. A permanent credit will provide an incentive to innovate and remove uncertainty. At a time when our companies need to be more competitive, we need to provide a permanent incentive to innovate, and remove the uncertainty now hanging over businesses as they make R&D investment decisions.

www.barackobama.com...

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.

Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.

Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.

Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Labor

Here you go...

I looks like John Mccain could give a flying #@!# about your pocket or any truck drivers pocket for that matter. Same as Bush, I thought I'd double check...


Read it... Check his website as I did... There is nothing there for you... NOTHING...
not a thin dime,,, unless you inherit $$$$$$$.

You and those truck drivers are voting against your own pockets.

Goodluck to us all!

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by Hal9000

 

Obama's Speech did absolutly nothing to sway my vote to him! I am the middle of the road independant that he's trying to reach and i see empty promises and to much anger coming from Obama!

Plus Knowing my taxes will atleast double and have to Pay a tax to the oil companies when he goes after their profits really casts any doubt on Obama.

He says he's all about change then goes and picks the currently longest running senator as his running mate. yeah that's change i can believe in! (sarcasm intended) All he has shown is its politics as usual i'll tell people what they want to hear and fool them later.

So if by some chance of hell freezing over this puppet gets into office and he renigs on these promises of change you and all his supporters will come in here and tell the rest of us your sorry right?


reply to post by yankeerose

 

And you think that if Obama gets elected you will beable to pay your bills? LOL expect your taxes to atleast double under an Obama Administration.


I think i'm going to find a nice island to live on

www.johnmccain.com...

Keep Tax Rates Low: Entrepreneurs are at the heart of American innovation, growth and prosperity. Entrepreneurs create the ultimate job security - a new, better opportunity if your current job goes away. Entrepreneurs should not be taxed into submission. John McCain will keep the top tax rate at 35 percent, maintain the 15 percent rates on dividends and capital gains, and phase-out the Alternative Minimum Tax. Small businesses are the heart of job growth; raising taxes on them hurts every worker.

Cut The Corporate Tax Rate From 35 To 25 Percent: A lower corporate tax rate is essential to keeping good jobs in the United States. America was once a low-tax business environment, but as our trade partners lowered their rates, America failed to keep pace. We now have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, making America a less attractive place for companies to do business. American workers deserve the chance to make fine products here and sell them around the globe.

Allow First-Year Deduction, Or "Expensing", Of Equipment And Technology Investments: American workers need the finest technologies to compete. Expensing of equipment and technology will provide an immediate boost to capital expenditures and reward investments in cutting-edge technologies.

Establish Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D: This reform will simplify the tax code, reward activity in the United States, and make us more competitive with other countries. A permanent credit will provide an incentive to innovate and remove uncertainty. At a time when our companies need to be more competitive, we need to provide a permanent incentive to innovate, and remove the uncertainty now hanging over businesses as they make R&D investment decisions.

www.barackobama.com...

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.

Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.

Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.

Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Labor

So many rich people here on ATS...

WOW!

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Its so cute " JOHN MCCAIN IS GOING TO CUT TAXES"


JUST NOT MINE!


"BARRACK OBAMA IS GOING TO RAISE TAXES"!!!!

JUST NOT MINE???

I'm curious do you all feel the need to reinforce your belief system together every time Obama speaks to keep it from being erroded by hearing what he has to say?


That is what I come away with from this thread, people digging in so they will not be moved by the winds of "Change".

If you watched FOX's post speech coverage then you wont recognize this.

This is the supposed transcript...

All fake. I watch this segment and pulled this up online... F#@!#!ng BS

SO you may call me a sheep but when a transcript is completely altered???

unbelievable! bah bah bah

www.236.com...


Fox News Transcript: 8/28/2008 3:30PM EST
BRIT HUME: Joining me now is our the Fox News all star panel. The question arises immediately of course, how is this speech? Did Obama seem like he thought he was a rock star or did he think he was Zeus preaching hope with a bolt of lightning held high above his head? Did the speech do what the convention organizers and the Obama campaign hoped it would? Bill Kristol, your thoughts?

BILL KRISTOL: I thought Obama's speech was a shockingly minimal endorsement of Obama.

HUME: Really?

KRISTOL: Other than the words and speaking style, this speech could have been given by anyone.

HUME: Including John Kennedy?

KRISTOL: Excluding the dead - except for Lyndon Johnson. That bastard wouldn't let mortality stand in the way of stealing the limelight. The point I'm making is that Obama, who campaigned for eighteen months, never once mentioned that he was Obama. There were 75,000 people sitting there and millions more at home. There were a lot of people who had never met him, let alone seen him in person. That he felt that he didn't have to bring up that he was him just showed how condescending he is; how much of a celebrity he believes he is. How out of touch he is with everyday Americans who I speak to every day at my club.

HUME: Wow. You agree with that, Mort?

MORT KONDRACKE: I do. Look, he said what he had to say, but he didn't say anymore. Generally, he didn't give the specifics. He never said the things that I'm thinking he should have said, nor did he tell us how he would do to make the changes necessary to carry out what I want.

JUAN WILLIAMS: I really have to disagree but not all that much.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: Brit, if you don't mind I'm just going to sit here and let overt disdain and contempt for the human condition drip from the corner of my mouth.

BILL O'REILLY: While I have never been anything but completely fair to Senator Obama, I have to say, objectively, that the Folks™ know nothing about Obama except for this speech and since he didn't come on the Factor to deliver all I can say is the normal folks just aren't going to understand why this candidate didn't have the courage to come on with me to say the same thing he just said tonight, but to me.

CHRIS WALLACE: Gentleman. Obama won't be giving his speech for another five hours.

HUME: We'll be right back with Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and Karl Rove to analyze why Barack Obama was so ill-prepared to do make this speech earlier.

Well it looks like socialism to me.I think the next generation doesnt get it.If history is any indicator,we are in for some rough times ahead.The military will be crippled for sure.One hundred and fifty BILLION to pay for Obamas plan.Well we were warned that america would never succumb to invasion from outside america but from within.The Kremlin plot succeeds!

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
reply to post by Hal9000

 

Obama's Speech did absolutly nothing to sway my vote to him! I am the middle of the road independant that he's trying to reach and i see empty promises and to much anger coming from Obama!

Plus Knowing my taxes will atleast double and have to Pay a tax to the oil companies when he goes after their profits really casts any doubt on Obama.

He says he's all about change then goes and picks the currently longest running senator as his running mate. yeah that's change i can believe in! (sarcasm intended) All he has shown is its politics as usual i'll tell people what they want to hear and fool them later.

So if by some chance of hell freezing over this puppet gets into office and he renigs on these promises of change you and all his supporters will come in here and tell the rest of us your sorry right?


reply to post by yankeerose

 

And you think that if Obama gets elected you will beable to pay your bills? LOL expect your taxes to atleast double under an Obama Administration.


I think i'm going to find a nice island to live on

Yeah and where do you think that anger comes from?Maybe that church he went to for 20 years?
I think ill go live in an igloo up north.HUnt moose,whale,or polar bear.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by Justice11]

I am so lucky to be alive for such an historic speech. I can't think of any poliitician woo could draw a crowd so large.

Inauguration is going to be even sweeter!

Originally posted by xmotex
You're either lying to yourself, or lying to the rest of us.

I'm no Clinton fan actually, but he was a competent manager, at the very least.

As far as 9/11 goes, you really need to cut down on the rightwing Koolaid...

When Clinton's national security people tried to brief the neocons about the threat posed by Al Quaeda, they were practically laughed out of the room.

The neocons had already made up their mind that the "real threats" were Iraq and China

Oh here we go again with the revisionist history. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to argue that Clinton didn't see Iraq as a threat? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to argue that Clinton did more about terrorism? When was the last speech from Clinton on terrorism? I don't remember a single one.


As far as Obama's speech, the media keeps saying he laid about in detail what change is, yet I've not heard a single person explain it to me.

Can anyone here tell me what "change" means?


Lets look at the media propaganda blitz for Obama:


1. Olberman blasting reporters for criticizing Obama's speech.

Mr. Babington got the length of the speech wrong by at least 7 minutes. And this is analysis that will be printed in many, many newspapers, hundreds of them around the country. It is analysis that strikes me as having born no resemblance to the speech you and I just watch. None whatsoever. And for it to be distributed by the lone national news organization in terms of wire copy to newspapers around the country and websites is a remarkable failure of that news organization.

Charles Babington. Find. New. Work.

2. Chris Mathews instructs Al Sharpton to keep those evil Republicans from stealing the election.
newsbusters.org...

MATTHEWS: Well let's hope if you, for the purposes of your cause, Reverend Sharpton, that Karl Rove and Don King and the rest of them don't get together in Ohio again, like they did last time, and use the marriage issue to drum up a divisive vote, to take that state away. So you ought to keep your hands on that situation and beat them before we have the count, instead of joining in the pity thereafter.

3. Objective media reporters all describe speech as "masterpiece".
newsbusters.org...

4. Chris Mathews decides he doesn't care about objectivity anymore!

KEITH OLBERMANN: For 42 minutes not a sour note and spellbinding throughout in way usually reserved for the creations of fiction. An extraordinary political statement....I'd love to find something to criticize about it. You got anything?

CHRIS MATTHEWS: No. You know I've been criticized for saying he inspires me and to hell with my critics!

Audio: newsbusters.org...

5. Obama nomination like "fall of the soviet union"

KEITH OLBERMANN: And it happens as suddenly in some respects as the Soviet Union crumbled or apartheid was beaten in South Africa. These seemingly invincible hurdles that could never be overcome and within a short period in our historical timespan, suddenly they're gone. And almost nobody saw it coming. Certainly no one at all saw it coming more than four years ago.

6. MSNBC reporter compares Obama to "The Dark Knight" and McCain to "The Joker".



[edit on 29-8-2008 by Dronetek]

Originally posted by Legendary Smoker
Damn dude, I cant believe these republicans still operate on non-stop hate mode.

I wish I had the worlds first time machine so I could go to the 1700's and drop a god damn nuke on their ancestors, so they could never exist and f#ck this country and the people in it royally.

My god helps us, it's go get worst this only the start.

So, let me get this straight. Its Republicans who always hate, never democrats. So much so, that you want to kill our ancestors, so that there would be nobody to stand in the way of total democrat domination.

God help us if you people get in power...

Here is a man who is from a different background from your normal president elect.

he has had injustice in his life.
how many other presidents can say that ?

he will make the differance, believe that.

So, let me get this straight. Its Republicans who always hate, never democrats

Pretty much.

So much so, that you want to kill our ancestors

I mean, it was a silly fantasy at that moment.. but sure why not? They were busy destroying my people back then, so exactly what in your mind makes you think I wouldn't want to harm them?

so that there would be nobody to stand in the way of total democrat domination.

No, cause if you guys weren't around it'd be another group of morons who hate anyone not like them, and constantly keeping Mr. Bill "No Spin Zone" and Mr. Sean Hannity's ratings up.

Let's not forget "They're taking our country! We're losing everything!"