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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 06:13 PM by jetxnet
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Loki, the New World Order framework consists of a partnership between politicians and select companies.
The goal is to control the world through one government via these partnerships.
The NWO companies are mainly your Green Energy companies and Investment banks.
Guess who is heavily funding Obama's campaign?? Green Energy companies (i.e. George Soros and Perseus LLC.) and investment banks (Goldman Sachs).
Guess what Obama promises these Green Energy companies? He promises them 800 Billion$ of your money to do useless and stalled research for a
non-existant end-product.
Why do you stall research? To keep the money coming for new and additional research. You drag it out as long as possible to get as much money as
possible.
This is what Obama wants to do for these companies that are heavily funding his campaign. Obama wants to take your money and keep giving them money
making them rich beyond your wildest dreams.
Obama is lieing to you on his website and in his speeches. He is an experienced liar, because he's been doing it for a long time.
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 06:26 PM by Loki
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Originally posted by jetxnet
Loki, the New World Order framework consists of a partnership between politicians and select companies.
The goal is to control the world through one government via these partnerships.
The NWO companies are mainly your Green Energy companies and Investment banks.
Guess who is heavily funding Obama's campaign?? Green Energy companies (i.e. George Soros and Perseus LLC.) and investment banks (Goldman Sachs).
Guess what Obama promises these Green Energy companies? He promises them 800 Billion$ of your money to do useless and stalled research for a
non-existant end-product.
Why do you stall research? To keep the money coming for new and additional research. You drag it out as long as possible to get as much money as
possible.
This is what Obama wants to do for these companies that are heavily funding his campaign. Obama wants to take your money and keep giving them money
making them rich beyond your wildest dreams.
Obama is lieing to you on his website and in his speeches. He is an experienced liar, because he's been doing it for a long time.
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News Flash. Politicians lie sometimes. Find me one that hasn't ever lied or bent the truth and I will give you 9 million dollars. Go on. My checkbook
is waiting.
The point is that Green Engergy has stalled out. The Republican party is divided into two factions. The faction in the pocket of the Church, and the
faction in the pocket of Military Industrial complex (Which IKE EISENHOWER warned us about, by the way) and Energy companies. Neither of these
factions supports or wants Green Energy or any other sort of energy besides fossil fuels to become economically viable. Barack Obama does.
Here are some of the companies in Perseus' portfolio.
Clean Energy Fuels Corp.
Clean Energy is the largest provider of vehicular natural gas (CNG and LNG) as an alternative fuel in North America.
www.cleanenergyfuels.com
NxtPhase T&D Corporation
NxtPhase develops and markets digital disturbance recorders, data collection and disturbance analysis software, fiber optic current and voltage
sensors used in the control and measurement of electricity by utilities, and digital relays for high-voltage transmission line and transformer
protection.
www.nxtphase.com
SEVA Energie AG
SEVA Energie AG is a producer of combined heat and power generation units that use biogas.
www.seva.de
Westport Innovations Inc.
TSX: WPT
Westport Innovations develops technologies to allow commercial fleet engines to use clean-burning fuels, such as liquefied and compressed natural gas,
hydrogen, and hydrogen-enriched compressed natural gas.
www.westport.com
Basically, you're taking Obama to task for being serious about our energy crisis? Fossil Fuels are a relic. We are poised to move beyond the
necessity of raping our planet to power civilization. Sounds like a new world order, only because it would destroy the existing world order. A
conglomeration of oil companies, corruption, blood and excess.
And really, I think you should look into Obama. He has plans for the education system. If you have children, I beg of you...vote Obama. I'm sick of
living in a nation of braindead hatemongers.
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 06:36 PM by jetxnet
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Basically, you're taking Obama to task for being serious about our energy crisis
Thanks for making my point about Green Energy companies in close affiliation with Obama.
It's all about money and power, Loki. Obama isn't any different, it's just he has a different look that is more deceptive. If you get to the nuts
and bolts of things, you'll find he is a Marxist radical bent on achieving power in a nation which he is not even a natural born citizen.
Did you know he had the Communist party flag hanging on the wall of his Harvard dorm-room? It's true.
Obama wants to control every aspect of everyone's lives and this is already apparent. He will take your civil liberties from you quickly and have you
become dependent on his government.
Is that really what you want? To barely get by and become subserviant to the government?? Do you want competition surpressed (which produces
innovation) and, instead, have a one-demensional government controlled socieity?
Education? Will it be the same kind of education as China's President is reforming in China by having his "commandments" listed on the walls in
hallways and classrooms?
Sound arrogant and like a dictatorship? It should, because that's what Obama is about. Dictatorships can only happen in a Marxist regime. It does not
happen in a Democratic Republic.
Now do you see why Obama is even too liberal (a.k.a Marxist) for many liberal Senators?
He's dangerous for our American Republic which has given you the quality of life you have now.
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 06:45 PM by Anonymous ATS
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reply posted on 29-8-2008 @ 08:13 PM by Klemperer
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Originally posted by Grafilthy
just like I would not forgive Ayers, who supports violence against the innocent
Got ya.
Still generalizations though, and warmongers are NOT "innocent" (that includes people who support them).
Someone give me a direct example of how Bill Ayres is any more of a "terrorist" than my little sister. What has he done that would make you call him
a "terrorist"???
What they were doing back then was a direct response to the peoples wishes being ignored. He had a cause. He also never hurt anyone. The Weathermen
wanted the people of the U.S. to SEE what an actual explosion LOOKED like because there are so many people walking around wearing red, white, and blue
blindfolds they have NO IDEA WHAT WAR LOOKS LIKE. They just were sick of being ignored.
How do you think revolutions are started anyways?
Following the status quo?
In this case, Charles Manson is not a murderer, because he simply founded "the family'' who actually killed. Ayers' followers bombed buildings. He
supported, and still supports, their acts.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 12:32 AM by wutone
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by skeptic1
obama writes his own speeches
Yet he can't deliver them without a tele-prompt.
He can't even take part in a simple interview without a tele-prompt.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 01:46 AM by VDOG.45
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Obama = Communism = Just more of the same lame politics. He's for change alright, what you will have left after taxes in you pocket!
Is that What America has come to? You Elect people to represent your beliefs
Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kennedy, Clinton - all card carrying members of the American Socialist Party - er. Democratic Party.
Look it up, I'm tired of trying to convince people
Neocons are not taking over America, the Communists have. The New World Order is based on Totalitarian Rule like the Communist Manifesto!
It started long before most on this board was born.
I voting for McCain and Palin - Liberal and a True Conservative from outside the Washington Beltway.
Vote Conservative in America, maybe then we can Change things!
I'm VDOG.45 and I approve this message
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 05:07 AM by Loki
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Proof please, because your Troll Score is getting sky high.
The man is a Harvard-educated trial lawyer.
I -think- he -might- have delivered a speech from memory a time or two, as it's required in any collegiate speech class above 101
Hush now
The adults are talking.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 06:24 AM by skyshow
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So all you right winger post on the ATS who think it was a dismal failure...guess what? he had more than 38,000,000 viewers during his speech.
That's more than tuned in to the olympic opening events...more than tuned in to the finals for the American Idol...and a football stadium packed to
the rafters with moret han 85,000 people; more than half regular ordinary citizens let in for free. He gives the most amazing speech ever and you
poor saps come on here and give us the talking points from gop dot com. Desperato....Even the political experts from both sides called it an epic
moment in American history, but not you guys...
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 07:57 AM by iamcamouflage
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Have you not noticed that every person on television or speaking at any event uses a teleprompter or note cards. Have you ever given any kind of
speach before? Teleprompters and note cards are there to help keep your place and keep you on time and on track. It should not be a sign of
incompetence or inhability to speak without them.
But if you want to focus on this kind of stuff for judging whether or not someone has the skills to lead, then so be it. But I tend to think that
focusing on their record or the actual words they are saying is more important than the techinical issues with regards to teleprompters and note cards
while giving a speech.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 08:09 AM by iamcamouflage
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I love how you can speculate on all these horrible things the Democrats MIGHT do once in office but I can give you fact of horrible things that
Repbulicans HAVE done.
Republicans
-Majority in Congress from 1992-2006
-Republican President 20 of the last 28 years
Yet everything is the Democrats fault? How does your logic lead you to beleive that the Democrats are the ones to blame.
The current state of this country is the result of Republican agendas. Please try to prove to me how the Democrats are at fault for anything that is
happening in this country? 8 years of Clinton, 20 years of Bushes and Regan. 2 years of a Democratic congress, 14 years of a Republican congress and
6 of those years they also had a Republican president who only vetoed one bill of theirs.(Stem Cell Research). The Republicans could pass all the
legislation they wanted for 6 years unabaited by a president and you are blaming Democrats? Why didnt the Republicans do something about gas prices
when they started sky rocketing 7 years ago? Why have their been more Government bailouts of large corporations in the last 7 years since the savings
and loan scandal in the 80s.(During the tenure of another Republican President). Republicans always say "the market will fix itself", "thats
capitalism", yet they are responsible for bailing out most of these corporations that should have been allowed to fail.
Source
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 10:03 AM by VDOG.45
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Originally posted by iamcamouflage
reply to post by jetxnet
I love how you can speculate on all these horrible things the Democrats MIGHT do once in office but I can give you fact of horrible things that
Repbulicans HAVE done.
Republicans
-Majority in Congress from 1992-2006
-Republican President 20 of the last 28 years
Yet everything is the Democrats fault? How does your logic lead you to beleive that the Democrats are the ones to blame.
The current state of this country is the result of Republican agendas. Please try to prove to me how the Democrats are at fault for anything that is
happening in this country? 8 years of Clinton, 20 years of Bushes and Regan. 2 years of a Democratic congress, 14 years of a Republican congress and
6 of those years they also had a Republican president who only vetoed one bill of theirs.(Stem Cell Research). The Republicans could pass all the
legislation they wanted for 6 years unabaited by a president and you are blaming Democrats? Why didnt the Republicans do something about gas prices
when they started sky rocketing 7 years ago? Why have their been more Government bailouts of large corporations in the last 7 years since the savings
and loan scandal in the 80s.(During the tenure of another Republican President). Republicans always say "the market will fix itself", "thats
capitalism", yet they are responsible for bailing out most of these corporations that should have been allowed to fail.
Source
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By all means, Vote DEMOCRAT then - Push the Communist, Politically Correct Manifesto down the Worlds peoples throats...
That is exactly what Karl Marx wanted.
The result of trickle down economics (Reaganomics) was what bore fruit during the Clinton years!
During my lifetime I've seen both Republican and Democrat Presidents starting with John F. Kennedy.
I went into the Military under Jimmy Carter, thankfully he lost the next election - people got smarter and learned being a pacifist doesn't work in
the long run.
If I am a neocon because I believe in the right to life, the right to better myself, the right to take care of my family, the right to make money from
hard work, then so be it.
I won't be standing in any line waiting for a handout from anyone. I make my own destiny not from some sniveling, Conniving POS from Harvard!
Go ahead and vote for your Obomination (Abomination)
I'm off to buy more rations and ammunition now..........
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 11:10 AM by iamcamouflage
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reply to post by VDOG.45
You seem like a very angry man. You say you believe in the right to life, does this view apply to everyone?
Are you aware of the rights that you have lost under the Bush administration? Have you ever heard of Iran/Contra? What about the numerous corporate
bailouts under Republican control? Are corporate bailouts part of the capitalist system?
Can you site where Democrats have pushed for a communist system? I can see that they lean towards socialist programs, but does that mean that you are
against; state and local police, fire department, public transportation, public schools, roads, museums, parks, financial aid for students, social
security, Medicare/Medicade, Big Brothers and Big Sisters, and Universities?
You have never recieved any thing from the government? You made your way without any interaction from the govt? You say you were in the Military,
would you prefer that we privatize the entire military force? The benefits that you receive for being in the military far out way what a private
organization could provide you with.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 11:58 AM by Carib194
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Its real sad to read the comments,especially on this site. Whether you are Rep,Dem, or independent. But it seems that if Obama were to be successful
it would force change.. A change in the minds of Everyone and how they perceive themselves and others (From those with high concentrations of melanin
to those with lower concentrations) and to admit We all are puppets repeating what our puppeteer programs us to say.I have yet to read an intelligent
credible point and I happen to admire Herbert Walker and Walker aka Texas Sanford and Son, not for what they have done but for their intelligence. If
you don't understand start with reading the art of war........
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 12:45 PM by iamcamouflage
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I will reply to you with a quote from Benjamin Franklin
Admiration is the daughter of ignorance.
Maybe society should advance past the art of war and into the art of diplomacy. Should we really use a book written 2600 years ago as the justication
for wars today? Interesting how the first chapter of The Art of War is planning when maybe it should be diplomacy. Fighting and war should never be
the first option. You would be surprised what you can accomplish when you talk to people.
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reply posted on 30-8-2008 @ 05:54 PM by Shades1035
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Obama is what USA needs. Finally someone that represents the low income / middle class and not only the mega rich and the shady corporations like
Bush/McCain.
I think Americans are smarter than voting for a 3rd term of Bush/McCain. McCain who think you're middle class if you're earning 4,9 million usd per
YEAR. What planet is this guy from? He lives in his own pink mega rich world.
It's time to restore the economy for the average American and bring back hope.
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 01:11 AM by wutone
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Originally posted by Loki
reply to post by wutone
Proof please, because your Troll Score is getting sky high.
[edit on 8-30-2008 by Loki]
www.youtube.com...
Does this increase my troll score?
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 01:34 AM by wutone
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Originally posted by iamcamouflage
reply to post by wutone
But if you want to focus on this kind of stuff for judging whether or not someone has the skills to lead, then so be it. But I tend to think that
focusing on their record or the actual words they are saying is more important than the techinical issues with regards to teleprompters and note cards
while giving a speech.
So what is Obama's actual record? Does his record make him qualified to be President?
As Geraldine Ferraro stated...
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to
be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
Almost every democrat in the primaries has much more qualifications to be President than Obama.
There is only ONE reason why Obama beat them all, he got nearly all the black vote, I wonder why?
Policy wise, Obama talks a lot about a "new direction", yet Obama has voted with Pelosi and Reid more than 90% of the time. Is that the new
direction, going with Democrat dinosaurs that brought the congress to single digit approval ratings? Is that change? Is that getting away from old
Washington politics that he so "skillfully" blasted Hillary with?
Obama is all empty promises. He wants more jobs in the U.S. but votes with the people who wants to raise taxes on the job creators and chase them
overseas.
Obama wants clean energy but votes along with the people who have constantly gone against building nuclear power plants.
Obama wants to give tax cuts to 95% of Americans but he will turn around and tax the hell out of corporations who will pass those taxes on to the 95%
of Americans that he supposedly wants to help.(Or they can move overseas and deny those 95% of Americans real jobs.)
Obama wants to work with allies, yet he declared that he would invade Pakistan. What a truly skillful statement by someone who wants to be President.
Obama is full of hot air. He is a creation of the media. He is a benefactor of the Democrat party voter demographics.
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reply posted on 31-8-2008 @ 02:03 AM by mental modulator
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Originally posted by VDOG.45
Obama = Communism = Just more of the same lame politics. He's for change alright, what you will have left after taxes in you pocket!
Is that What America has come to? You Elect people to represent your beliefs
Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kennedy, Clinton - all card carrying members of the American Socialist Party - er. Democratic Party.
Look it up, I'm tired of trying to convince people
Neocons are not taking over America, the Communists have. The New World Order is based on Totalitarian Rule like the Communist Manifesto!
It started long before most on this board was born.
I voting for McCain and Palin - Liberal and a True Conservative from outside the Washington Beltway.
Vote Conservative in America, maybe then we can Change things!
I'm VDOG.45 and I approve this message
Ya change things indeed...
HOW HAVE WE FAIRED SO FAR WITH ALL CONSERVATISM?
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