Originally posted by kozmo
My GOD!!! There are so many people drinking this sh*t up! I guess I'm right to be losing all hope and faith in humanity. People are simply too stupid to think for themselves. Do any of you "Supporters" really grasp the fact that there will NOT be any change at all!? It is going to be another 4 years of sliding toward the Corporatocracy because that is what his handlers have architected.

My God, this country continues to sink down the Sh*tter and the mouth-breathing sheeple believe anything and everything that their told - even when they are told NOTHING -as in Obama bin Biden's speech last night! I think I might need to look into buying 100 acres of land in nowheresville Canada. I sure the hell don't want to be around when this thing reaches it's endgame.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
The two parties are converging--Nader sees it, Buchanan sees it, Gravel sees it, Barr sees it, McKinney sees it...why can't people grasp that a vote for a corporate Democrat is a vote for four years of war and wiretap.

The main beef most people have is that Obama respects a man, and has used the word "respectable," to describe an American terrorist.

I still don't see any "charges" being brought against him.

By the way......who created more "terror"......Bill Ayres???? Or the invasion and occupation of Vietnam????? And while your at it, tell me how many bombs filled with napalm he dropped on civilians????

Do you even know how many people Bill Ayres killed????









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Originally posted by Grafilthy

The main beef most people have is that Obama respects a man, and has used the word "respectable," to describe an American terrorist.

I still don't see any "charges" being brought against him.

By the way......who created more "terror"......Bill Ayres???? Or the invasion and occupation of Vietnam????? And while your at it, tell me how many bombs filled with napalm he dropped on civilians????

Do you even know how many people Bill Ayres killed????









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I could never justify the war in Vietnam. But I don't keep score of evil through comparison. I can't forgive the Nazis because the Soviets killed more people, just like I would not forgive Ayers, who supports violence against the innocent, because others have done worse.

Originally posted by Klemperer

Originally posted by Grafilthy

The main beef most people have is that Obama respects a man, and has used the word "respectable," to describe an American terrorist.

[size=6]I still don't see any "charges" being brought against him[/size].

By the way......who created more "terror"......Bill Ayres???? Or the invasion and occupation of Vietnam????? And while your at it, tell me how many bombs filled with napalm he dropped on civilians????

Do you even know how many people Bill Ayres killed????









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I could never justify the war in Vietnam. But I don't keep score of evil through comparison. I can't forgive the Nazis because the Soviets killed more people, just like I would not forgive Ayers, who supports violence against the innocent, because others have done worse.

Tallying civilians killed or not, the main thrust is as enlarged above. There will be no charges. Because Obama didn't do anything illegal.

edit:well, it failed to enlarge the text, but it was: 'I still don't see any "charges" being brought against him'

[edit on 29-8-2008 by LSDeviant]

just like I would not forgive Ayers, who supports violence against the innocent

Got ya.

Still generalizations though, and warmongers are NOT "innocent" (that includes people who support them).

Someone give me a direct example of how Bill Ayres is any more of a "terrorist" than my little sister. What has he done that would make you call him a "terrorist"???

What they were doing back then was a direct response to the peoples wishes being ignored. He had a cause. He also never hurt anyone. The Weathermen wanted the people of the U.S. to SEE what an actual explosion LOOKED like because there are so many people walking around wearing red, white, and blue blindfolds they have NO IDEA WHAT WAR LOOKS LIKE. They just were sick of being ignored.

How do you think revolutions are started anyways?

Following the status quo?

Someone give me a direct example of how Bill Ayres is any more of a "terrorist" than my little sister. What has he done that would make you call him a "terrorist"???

Has your little sister bombed the New York City Police Headquarters or bombed the Capitol bulding??

If your sister hasn't, then Mr. Bill Ayers would be more of a terrorist (and a domestic one at that) than your little sister.




[edit on 29-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Originally posted by sos37

Hate to tell you this but you will be waiting a very long time. The $*it is about to hit the fan concerning Obama and William Ayers (which could actually result in charges being filed against Obama before the election), the Hilary followers are not all completely convinced and McCain still has an ace up the sleeve.

For me I will feel much better as soon as Obama is elected, because I will know that help/change is on the way for someone like me. All I have to do is hold on until Obama is in office.

And as far as SHTF... that scenario is part of YOUR reality and YOUR administrations doing. The GOP are the hate/warmongers in America today. It's your political party that has brought us to this point, and as usual... it will take the DEMs to clean up the mess the NWO/GOP have made.

{The GOP are the hate/warmongers in America today}

This may sound funny to yall coming from me (A registered Republican Christian) ..but I agree with that statement ..

But ...you need to know that its because they have been taken over by the EXTREME right .....Please do some digging on the Dominionists(These are not your typical Christians they are an EXTREME sect who has taken over the Churchs and Politics) ..you will be able to understand whats going on with them and why .....
Please look it up ....

Thought this post was supposed to be about the speech, and the issues it addressed, or not...

Guess I was wrong.
All I see is hate, unfunded accusations, already addressed lies...

The amount of hatred in America is boiling over. What will this hate bring? How will the pressure be released?

Guess some Americans just don't give a s*it! They are waiting for the "End of Times", for the "Apocalypse", for the "Second Coming" (not a porn flick, I think), or, worst, for a Word War against Russia, or China, or...

There used to be respect, and judgment, between the various candidates, and their supporters, now, I can only see hate, despise, lies and personal attacks...

America may have a democratic electoral process, but America's Democracy (Republic) is a dying corpse, continually being abused!!!

Last night I was uplifted, by a GREAT SPEECH, not that I agreed with all of it, but it was a clean exercise in Democracy. A respectful challenge, that can only be good for Democracy, as a whole, and that will oblige my Candidate to give his best, to debate the issues, to come up with better solutions, to the challenges America faces, both internal and external.

Today I feel let down, not by any candidate, but by the amount of poison being thrown by the fangs of hate mongers...

If ATS members represent the major trends in the USA, I hope they do not, then the USA, as the home of the free, and of tolerance, is already dead, it just doesn't know it yet!!!


[edit on 29-8-2008 by NorthWolfe CND]

What a great speech. I really hope Barack becomes president and that the avarage american doesn't get fooled once more and vote for the Bush clone, McCain, a president that only give tax breaks to mega corporations that ship jobs overseas and the billionaires.


McBush doesn't even know how many houses he own and think you're middle class if you earn 4,9 million yearly. He doesn't get it. He's too rich and lives in his own pink world.

Americans are smarter than voting for McBush.

I just find it amazing that the media is not giving more attention to the fact that the Bush/McCain Iraq war was based on pure lies and that senator Obama was one of the few that actually opposed this disaster.

That so many american soldiers have died because of war based on lies of weapons of mass destruction that did not exist and links to Al Qaida that were 100 percent false!

Bush/McCain removed the troops from the real war on terror, the mountains of Afghanistan and put them in harms way to fight a war based on lies, attacking a country that had nothing to do with 911 and no weapons of mass destruction.

Some figures say 800 000 Iraqi civilians have died from the war and millions are refugees. Not to mention the cost of the war. Why is this not more covered in the media I ask? I mean McBush even use the Iraq war disaster for his own campaign, saying the death toll have decreased because more american soldiers are there now, dying for an false cause. The point is, that country should not have been attacked!

How can a war based on pure lies not get more attention? It's just weird.

I just hope the war will get more attention in this election and not just the economy that the republicans ruined.



[edit on 29-8-2008 by Shades1035]

America may have a democratic electoral process, but America's Democracy (Republic) is a dying corpse, continually being abused!!!

Last night I was uplifted, by a GREAT SPEECH, not that I agreed with all of it, but it was a clean exercise in Democracy. A respectful challenge, that can only be good for Democracy, as a whole, and that will oblige my Candidate to give his best, to debate the issues, to come up with better solutions, to the challenges America faces, both internal and external.

You really need to reseach what the New World Order is and what politicians and companies hope to realize it.

The New World Order will destroy the American Republic which our forefathers' wanted and we have enjoyed. It has afforded our success and quality of life among other good things.



[edit on 29-8-2008 by jetxnet]

This "NEW WORLD ORDER" that everyone fears is just a new guise and face to put on the concept of change for the better. We like things to stay the same. It seems everywhere I look, I see people who will attack political leaders who come out with fresh ideas, claiming they work with the NWO. When is enough going to be enough, and we all start working together for progress in this tailspinning nation?

Find Kennedy's speech on YouTube about the NWO and why it will be dangerous for America (mostly the citizens).

Is it any wonder, a short time after his speech against NWO, he ended up murdered by an ex-Marine for hire?

New World order means one government.

Goal 1: get each continent to become a Union
Goal 2: introduce currencies for each Union
Goal 3: consolidate each Union into one large Union
Goal 4: introduce global currency
Goal 5: make world citizens dependent on this one Global government in every facet of their lives.

80% of the world's population work for the other 20%

Sound alot like Obama's policies, does it not?

[edit on 29-8-2008 by jetxnet]