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reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:37 PM by woodwytch
reply to post by dave420



Oh dear, this is getting a little tedious now (please try to read the posts correctly).

I specifically asked if you'd had an experience (NOT PARANORMAL), that you found difficult put into words and explain or provide hard evidence to back-up that it had happened (something of a mundane nature).

It's quite ironic really that you irrationally jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Woody


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:51 PM by sickofitall2012
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Actually, it's a poor raccoon dog, you know, the innocent creatures that are being skinned alive in China for their fur.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 10:24 PM by evo80
I think that the problem with these types of topics- ghosts, aliens etc, are that people are too closed minded and unwilling to accept any evidence, no matter how exceptional it is. These people need to have their own personal experience for themselves, and those of us lucky(?) enough to have had these types of experiences can do nothing to convince them otherwise. I guess we have these experiences partly because we are more open minded, and most likely more sensitive to these things.

I worked at a haunted movie theater, and it was a big joke about the "ghost" in the projection booth. I believed people, but many others did not and thought the witnesses were just crazy or stupid. I actually saw this thing, a big black mass of shadow, and it physically hit a movie platter right behind me as i was leaving the area. I then didnt just believe those other peoples stories, I was now a part of the stories.

I think its just about being open to things, and accepting what you see and experience instead of trying to come up with "rational" explanations for them. I am sure that most people, even the biggest skeptics, have had an experience they could not explain, but somehow convinced themselves that there was a logical explanation, just to get over it and maintain their belief system.

To the OP, if you truly want to know if ghosts are real, open yourself up to the idea and go looking for them. Find local areas that are said to be haunted, or maybe a friends house that has a ghost. Just be open to it and I am sure you will get something, even if its just the strong feeling of a presence around you. It can be very strong, so be ready with your "logical explanation" to ensure that you dont get too scared


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 10:52 PM by jwstarry
Okay, I have been watching this thread with great interest and figured it was time for me to throw in my two cents. I often equate the paranormal with the UFO phenomenon. They both are things that you really have to experience firsthand before you can become a concrete believer.

While I have never had an UFO sighting I still want to believe that something is happening, and if it all turns out to be mass hysteria sprinkled with some hoaxes I would not be surprised because I was never confronted with evidence to prove its real.

When it comes to the paranormal I am very bias. As I have stated in my introduction thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I had two seperate paranormal experiences, one at age 5 and another at age 11. I have never ever told anyone about my experience at age 11 mainly for the reason that if it did not happen to me I am not sure I would believe it. Also to tell anyone my story would open me up to ridicule from hard core skeptics like dave420.

All I can really add to this thread is to ask the hard core skeptics to have a little more compassion for those that have had "experiences". No, proving the existence of Ghosts is next to impossible at this point in time, but hopefully in the future technology will become available to prove finally one way or the other. For us that has had "experiences" we have all the proof we need.

Dave420, I understand your opinion that "you can not believe everything you see" and I somewhat agree with you. Like I said I had 2 "experienes" and the one I had at 5 could very well fit that description. It was a fleeting full body apparition, could it have been a trick of the eyes? Of course cause it was so quick. My experience at age 11 was a whole different story. You say you want proof but yet you call people that believe "arrogant" and "irrational".

Well sir I think you are "arrogant" to belittle us and "irrational" then to demand proof. Like my signature says "you will never understand what you are not willing to accept". Before you try and understand the paranormal phenomenon you must first at least be willing to accept the possibility that it is real, if not no amount of proof will convince you.



reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 11:08 PM by dave420
reply to post by jwstarry



I am not ridiculing anyone. I am simply pointing out when people are being irrational. Don't want me doing that? Then don't be irrational. Problem solved.

If you think demanding proof is irrational, well, there's no hope for you. And if you think assuming one's senses are functionally perfect isn't arrogant, there's even less hope for you.

You are embracing ignorance, not denying it. You are assuming truths based on intrinsically-flawed experiences.

ANY actual proof would convince me. Just because I'm not jumping on the believers' band-wagon don't think I'm not open to the idea. I just require proof. That is rational. Believing without proof is irrational. I am willing to accept anything. I just need proof before I believe.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 11:13 PM by Soulstone
reply to post by jwstarry



Just to set things straight, if this was directed at me at all. I am not a skeptic. I am an open minded skeptic. Obviously, there is something going on here. People are seeing these things. I have an EVP. I have even recorded an orb on film.

It's just the jumps to conclusions that are bothering me. Such as all UFOs come from aliens. When I think, as I have stated, that they could very well be government crafts. I understand why people might see an apparition and think it's a ghost. That's well and fine. But what if there is something else going on here? And what about some of the contrary evidence as stated in the original topic starter. And the dinosaurs! Yes, the dinosaurs, lol, but it's a valid point.
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