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reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 08:58 PM by Soulstone
reply to post by whatukno



I don't see any of those things happening. They seem like illogical choices. It also doesn't explain when someone dies why that house becomes and stays haunted even when they're relatives move out.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 08:58 PM by Lebowski achiever
reply to post by dave420

Okay... If someone witnessed a murder but no one believed him because no body, dna or evidence was found and he didn't have a camera, is he irrational? Just because ONE person witnessed something, alone, is he to be discounted completely? I really do not get your argument at all, I am afraid.

Did you watch TV yesterday? Yes? Can you prove it? Did anyone see you? did you take pictures? No? Dismissed!



reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 08:59 PM by Soulstone
reply to post by Totalstranger



YES! EXACTLY! Why are there no DINOSAUR GHOSTS! Whether you were joking or not it is an excellent point none the less.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:00 PM by dave420
reply to post by samureyed



I agree exactly! I really do. However the strange "something" is the fantastic ability of our brains and sensory systems to confuse us.

If I saw something thrown across the room, it still wouldn't make me an instant believer, as it wasn't in a controlled environment. That is my whole point - believing in something based on your own experiences is not rational. We are too easily flawed. Our perspective on the world is intrinsically limited, and often flat-out wrong, and yet we have no way to actually realise that. That is why relying on our experiences is irrational.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:02 PM by Soulstone
reply to post by Lebowski achiever



It doesn't really count in a case like this. With so many people witnessing ghosts like this they should be able to get results in a controlled, experimental setting if such things were real.


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:04 PM by woodwytch
reply to post by Soulstone



Honey, that would take over the entire thread ... I've had a lifetime of experiences (too many to number). If you look around you'll doubtless come across my ramblings here and elsewhere. If you want to take time to seek them out I'd be very happy to answer any questions you might have about how I determined specific incidents were the real McCoy and others were down to imagination or natural phenomenon.

But I'd be willing to bet whatever I said you'd still think it was all make believe and I was 'away with the faeries' (and just for the record 'santa claus' does exist ... he's not only a member here on ATS we're also on each others 'friends' list). So if you want to make the effort I'll be waiting ... if not and my presumptions are correct then we've saved ourselves a lot of time with pointless to & fro posts.

I'm serious by the way, if you find and read my stuff I will answer any questions you have (in a new thread if necessary).

Woody

ps Hey there 'jpm1602' my old friend, how goes it ?


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:05 PM by dave420
reply to post by Lebowski achiever



Yes - if he absolutely believes it was a murder, that is irrational. It could have been staged. Or the person might not have died. Assuming it is a murder is irrational. Of course it's still possible it was a murder, which is why the cops should be involved, but to say it definitely was a murder is, as strange as it may seem to you, irrational.

And no, I didn't watch TV. However I did watch some TV on my computer, which I'm fairly sure happened, as I can repeat it ad infinitum on request to anyone who wishes to observe. I can do it in a controlled environment, with any scientific instrument you want measuring it. That is the difference


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:05 PM by Sonya610
Originally posted by Soulstone
reply to
post by Lebowski achiever



You are the OP, so if feeling are hurt be prepared to be the big man and settle things peacefully. It is not a matter of choice.

[edit on 28-8-2008 by Sonya610]


reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:07 PM by dave420
reply to post by Deaf Alien



That reduces the likelyhood of it being a sensory "burp", but it's still not ruled out. Just as when many people see one of those internally-illuminated blimps and assume it's an alien spacecraft - they're still wrong, no matter how many people swear to God that it was a alien spacecraft. Believing it was an alien spacecraft is irrational.

That tribe person might have been seeing things. That's what I'm saying. Rule that out and you have a point



reply posted on 28-8-2008 @ 09:09 PM by Lebowski achiever
reply to post by dave420



Just because you are alone and cannot corroborate an event through other witnesses does NOT mean it did not take place.
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