I have no need for frustration nor anger. I simply state the true nature of things, as i have seen them. If one wishes to inquire further i welcome it, if one wishes to depart this conversation because of "lack of evidence" i welcome it. I try to provide as much detailed information as allowed by my Shard, in hopes of (pardon the pun) shedding light on our true nature, and the global circumstance.

If anyone possesses any questions, please feel free to inquire. I check this thread every now and again.

Well, so far I’ve not read absolutely anything in specific, practically or reasonably for existence!
First, thank you for posting here and sharing some personal info, no matter what your motives are. But you Sir, somehow disregarded so much “history” facts, other “spokesman” rather than whistleblowers, and pictures as well.
Unfortunately, I am short of time, and cannot expand my thoughts right now and I’ll shoot my Qs. Although the general user kind of get annoyed with a longer posts.

What is the general concept of being “illuminated”, as you pointed, it is knowledge, peace, philosophy, and everything concerned in common well. Well, isn’t it this found in every sacred book, movement, political and not such structures, doctrines and so forth? Basically, it is one of the most exploited human genomes or “weakness” in order to take your brain and approval! A simple psychology.

You somehow disregarded, or more accurately have not mentioned nothing about the esoteric, “sacred practices” (magic if you wish), the Symbolism, the source and the reason! How can you be an illuminated on, based on these states of yours, when not acknowledging these?

You simply cannot delimit the Illuminati form the points above. And the word “illuminati”, well how come the audiences go after this misleading word! Friends, look at all the movements, and secret societies (why still call them secret, when we tend to speak everything on them!) It is another des. therm like NWO, like the actual Bilderberg or Priory of Sion! Do not go after these obsolete meanings, arisen form a few jewish and european “historians” and religious leaders!

Ok now, back on subject. In all religion, philosophical movements (there aren’t any left though, now days, they all have dogmas and structures, regarded in the dic. as religions)
You can see absolutely the same symbolism; form the down of the human marks, to present day society. And they trend to interpret and implement differently into different religion and periods of time. And symbolism is directly and indirectly connected and bound to our existence and matter.
Moreover, the astrology, the sacred geometry, and all the knowledge, kept unimaginably far from the critical masses. You cannot be illuminated, you cannot develop or see beyond the factual realm if you are “ignorant”. And we are all ignorant.

There is such a vast stream of available information, some of which real, some disinformation. You can go into every church, afterward any public library, and get the idea of the human patterns.
I don’t know where I’ve gone whit this so far, out of order text of mine (I apologize). I’ve actually wanted to ask you some questions, and simultaneously to show to the fellows here a point of view.

About the “secret structure”, the only reason they are in such a form is namely not to keep the general public out, rather than its members/brothers. Reed the Plato! The triangle structure can be found everywhere in every company, organization, sports club, coffee shop, or government. Its purpose is only one. Otherwise, hypothetically/mathematically looked, to keep the humans out/in dark, first it is a mere waste of recourse, subsequently time and human destinies, and not lastly it’s in great contradiction with your agenda, doctrine etc. Doesn’t make sense!

Guys, all the hierarchy originations, clubs and so on, are corrupted believe it or not. You can trace it by reading an ex-masons blogs, ex-rotarians’ memoires, and every single person, dared to brake the “brotherhood’s” orders and dogmas. Come on! Do not have time to provide some links, but there thousands.

So , Maban, with all due respect, but you are either kept at the bottom, or deliberately follow your concepts! Cause, the Illuminati ARE satanic (in modern encyclopedias, I do not like these labels though, they start a mechanism in human’s perception) , the Illuminati ARE part and TOOL for achieving not a single goal, not a world domination, a knowledge- yes, but with all means. Which is not bad, apart from the “bad” rituals and practices, which tends to be harmful!

The ARE accessed and exploited by not one political figure and so one. So fellas, the word still remains “dirty”. They are nothing more than tool and a method. The concept and the lineage of Illuminati derives and dates prior the Egyptians, so please! But as I’ve said, they are a tool, like all other societies, used by the very same people, doing the very same thing, and obeying the very same dogmas!

There is a mountain of knowledge, which could change our lives and existence, not in a material, technological way, but in such to where we all can BE and DO. Not GODS, we are never to become such, and never ought to strive, that’s the line crossed by the illuminati and the rest. God is one! For me personally, it is still hard to find him, but I do my best, or think so, to feel and build for it..

Now, what Leo Zagami said.. YES, this man has provided us with a lot of traceable facts. Yes, he lies with his purpose, as he said (and the early CIA leaked MK docs on hte subject), it’s sufficiently just to let them “taste”, give them a tiny bit, in order to confuse their perceptions.

If you are familiar with his articles. He definitely miss and skip so much of the puzzle , and so called “Big Picture”. But not due to lack of understanding or some restriction, rather than deliberate intentions. Why, just look at his way of thought, logics, ample point of view and access, and regardless of his “personal characterization” , he denies every other aspect of “what could be going on, or have been so” apart from his testimony. This is in total controversy with him!

So, do not put the line just to his deployment of facts and structures, but you hardly can construct and expand to something more, with lack of information, a solid cornerstone. Be aware of false prophets, kings and fellas (the Bible /paraphrase).

There it is, my current mood expressed, I will try to participate in this thread as well.

Regards
ivo

(please, do except my apology for possible misdescriptions and nonsense, written due to my understanding of English)


[edit on 3-4-2008 by fisk]

For a long while we have ignored as well as neglected the oversight of these "adolescent deviants," but have in the last three generations redoubled our efforts to bring them under control or disbandment, with moderating degrees of success.

Now I wish to fully address your "misgivings" about our "doctrines, dark magic, faith, and satanic beliefs." Do the Illuminati believe in and practice these things, yes... and no. Again one must consider the definition of Illuminati. The Remnants do, the Shards do not. The Remnants embraced the more historic, and in many cases darker aspects of the Illuminati Order. In some internally documented cases utterly twisting Illumination into what could only be described as a Void of Darkness. As the Remnants embraced the ritualistic and "traditional" Illuminati practices, the son of Knigge who was force to flee Europe (as far as historical documentation goes) by persecution of the catholic church for his scientific endeavors, He became a man of knowledge like that of his father and upon his father’s disenfranchisement, family disgust grew with the religious community (Catholic) and then fled to Iceland; where upon where the "true" form of the Illuminati was re-envisioned, rebuilt, and the light of illumination (true illumination) rekindled. Taking major portions of the Buddhist ways into practice alongside scientific discovery and evolution to further progress understanding. The Icelandic Shard continues to retain that name to this day, as a testament no to the struggles of the past, but to its failures and darkness and how ever present vigilance and oversight is necessary to ensure that true Illuminism is never mutilated again. Thus, the Icelandic Shard does not use the title "Illuminati" as one would however our ties to relate to the original Bavarian Illuminati, but does not reflect its shape nor values; if anything has purged all but the brightest of them. The reason upon which we still retain the ideological name "Illuminati" is by reference to the original Bavarian Illuminati origins, predating the actual formulation of the Bavarian Illuminati, and the ways of the Buddhists; so in whole the keepers of the Icelandic Shard and all its Shards are referred to as "Illuminons".

The Icelandic Shard and its Shards are mostly comprised of scientists, and then businessmen, and finally freethinkers and philosophers and the like. Regardless, the Icelandic Shard mainly plays host to the furtherance of scientific and business ideas and goals. One may ask how the Icelandic shard came to be the most powerful and influential? I would lovingly like to state by elegant and ingenious means, but it was in all actuality quite the opposite, and truly occurred by chance.

After about four generations (80 years) there was great discontempt amongst the ranks of the newly re-envisioned Illuminati, so to the point where minor infighting occurred, therefore the two leaders in major opposition agreed to go their separate ways. The first remained in Iceland, and the second remained in a sort of "nomadic state" mostly migrating through East Coast America for a short while before finally settling in the area of what is known now as Toronto, Canada. After a time the Icelandic shard become greatly disorganized and was near collapse, and the more nomadic Canadian Shard was too gasping its last breath's. In means of ensuring survival the two Shards reached out to each other sending emissaries to meet in America to discuss how to save their priceless ideologies. After a while it was determined that the risk of establishing new Shard's within the somewhat recently formed United States would be of far less risk than to attempt gaining support from an all ready "anti-Illuminati" Europe whose financial security was assured. Therefore all bets where hinged on the survival and success of the newly risen State of America.

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Over the next three generations or so America began to flourish both in influence and wealth bring much needed support to the Icelandic Shard and the Canadian Shard. The following generation spent a short time vying for power arguing that due to the solutions proposed by the Canadian Shard they could gain control of the newly re-re-founded Illuminati. However, discontent voices argued the ties to the original Bavarian Illuminati, the Icelandic Shard’s founder, and being the originator for the Canadian Shard itself it should maintain control. After a time agreements where made that the Canadian Shard would manage and oversee the three American Shards, and manage economic and political efforts, while the Icelandic Shard decided which organizations threatened the continuity of society (COS), globally that is and would bring economic and political pressure on them, to either change their ways for collapse them from within. The Icelandic Shard and its Shards maintain the precepts that noninterference is key and to only act when other organizations or individuals wish to adversely affect global stability or continuity. This is the point where is must emphasize our severe evolution beyond the “Old Ways” teachings of the original Bavarian Illuminati, almost entirely abandoning rituals, traditions, and out dated ways, for new and more effective ways to not control, but help a populous. Many are not aware but major philanthropic individuals in the world this very moment are members of this organization contributing major efforts in a aim to alleviate the world problems atop of maintaining stability. Our major ability to not only survive, but to flourish and help others is our ideological structure of noninterference, humanitarian aid, and corporate financial/influential support; has granted us untold advantages over more extremist and out dated Illuminati Remnants whom are unable to weather such ever evolving times.

I hope this helps better explain our origins/motivations/aims to better inform people who wish to seek better understanding about the "True Nature" of the Illuminati.

fisk, may i suggest a pre-writing of your posts to placate assistance in both your questions and counter arguments, therefore i can better provide a relevant answer, it is a method I ofter defer to, to ensure conciseness and accuracy. However, in the interim i will simply reply to that which I am sure you have questioned.

- Maban

Let's look at the word, that will be our first clue as to who they are and where they started. It means "illuminated ones" (not Inlightened ones), from the best of my knowledge. Now is there any other people known as this, or possibly a name for individuals similar to this? Yes all through out the history of mankind there have been people who "glowed" that had a presidence over others. Queztacoatl traveled with "mighty soildiers" and "Shining Ones", the book of the dead talks about one of the egyptian gods (Osiris I believe) going into a disk and the disk taking him into space where he talked to "Shining Ones". They appear throught history and they always the gods of the "gods". So where do they come from and what are they? Well they originally came from Heaven, but they fell from grace. they are Fallen Angels. There goal is to have mankind worship them and for us to serve them in a battle agianst the creator of all things, God/YHWH/Elohim/Yeshua. That is who the anti-Christ will be and his mission, to have the image of God (mankind), fight against it's creator.

So there ya go, that's the short version lol.

-Jimmy

Now Maban, tell the truth, its 50/50 light and dark each keeping balance and the other ideology in check. Am I not correct?

I am at a loss to finding a stable definition for the word ' Conspiracy'.
The majority of the information I have seen so far ( not as much as I need yet...) Is far more fact than fiction, and as an Old Frat, a witness to
much I know just by accident is enough information ... another You had to be there stories. Maybe, unless your the one remembering things.
I am a remember-er. I think I am in the early stages of Alzheimer's crap.
My Brother is also a remember-er. He is ten years younger than I.
We don't stand a chance.. It gallops in our family. Everybody gets it. I have trouble with near time but crystal clear long time. So does He.
My brother turned me on to 'Above Top Secret' Where I first heard the name the illuminati has not bothered to hear or react to in any way, The Bilderberg Group. There are few facets of our world that is not only owned by this group, they are used by this group to play with our lives, our government, our very existence is controlled. WE MUST START LONG AGO. Every adult should be exposed to this information. I fear that there is no way to stop them now and I pray that they can be ended.