Has anyone tried to dig deeper into the origins of the illuminati or do you all just buy into that whole Weishaupt story and follow the theory that they are only a couple hundred years old?
It is my feeling that Weishaupt is ONLY the founder of the BAVARIAN illuminati.. not the idea or group as a whole. I belief that the Illuminati is much older than a few hundred years and quite possibly goes back several thousand years.

Perhaps we should consider this for a research project?

Does anyone know of any info on the illuminati that predates Weishaupt?

I also think Weishaupt only founded what would become the 'public' front-face for the Illuminati.

I'm sure it's way older, and have been known before under other names.

Originally posted by m0rbid
I also think Weishaupt only founded what would become the 'public' front-face for the Illuminati.

I'm sure it's way older, and have been known before under other names.

This is what I suspect as well.. but what I am looking for is any evidence or indicators as to what the previous name might have been and how far back they go. Any ideas? Links?

[Edited on 21-3-2004 by m0rbid]

I am new in this forum I am reading Dan Brown's Angels and Demons and I know this is a fiction novel but he talks of historical facts about the Illuminati and well known persons in history and he makes references of illuminati and the masons, I also read the Hiram key While the mason can be traced to biblical times the illuminati can only be trace to medival times. I may be mistaken but thats what I know.

[Edited on 17-3-2004 by marg6043]

marg I also read that book, it's great huh? Well Dan Brown does about a year's worth of research before he writes his books, so I take the information in them seriously; even though it is a fiction book.

The origins that he gives are that the Illuminati were started in the days of Galileo so scientists could practice their arts away from the eyes of the Catholic Church. I figure that over time the roots of the group were lost (or maybe not, they might still be enemies of the Church) and it evolved into the bankers/behind the scenes group as we know it today.

Any thoughts?

I am very happy to find somebody that likes this kind of books, if you can read the hiram key it is not a fiction, but is a very good book about the masons, and I am very much against religion and how they have try to keep science away. Science and religion will never go hand in hand is not good for religion,s personal interest. Dont get me wrong I believe in a God or Creator but I do not belive in religious groups.

Hmm... Ok... Well I'm very much for religion so I guess we don't agree on one thing, lol. Dan Brown's next book is going to be about the Freemasons, I can't wait.

I very much respect your opinion.

Really interesting theory Tut.

I think the New World Order will come when there'll be so much chaos around the world, that all countries will beg the U.N. to do something major, to change and fix thing. Then they will have reason to use all the techs they've been preparing to control us, cuz that will be the only way to fix things and "stop terrorism". And people will have asked for that.

This would explain, maybe, why the USA is doing so much # all over the world, and maybe even VIA the so-called Al-Quaida group.

Originally posted by tututkamen
morbid if you go to the site you will see books and references that show the UN was created by the NWO for a specific purpose, and it is not that good. At least for the world
as we know it.
TUT

Yep, I know. People were fooled into thinking it was created for the good of us all, but I've come to the conclusion (like many others) that it is just the first step toward a One World Government.

Nice to see you back BTW.

Thank you Morbid it is nice to be back. I'll be keeping an "eye"
out for you

I am from the Island of Puerto Rico and I speak spanish.
I respect religious people but I dont like religious organizations.

Tut its good to see you around again.
That is a very interesting theory and perhaps very close to the reality of the situation.

I am going to check out the Hiram Key though.. I am aware that there is a connection with Freemasonry there.. after all don't they have a legend or story that they follow about some fellow named Hiram Abiff?

[Edited on 17-3-2004 by NephraTari]

has anyone read the illuminatus trilogy. books:
The eye in the pyramid
The Golden Apple
Leviathan

Isn't the concept that; The ILLUMINATI create the NWO, not visa-versa...?

i think the 'Illuminati' is woven into and appears in many
guises.

i think the Rosicrusians, Knights Templar, and scores of Rennessiance people (you mentioned Galileo) were 'enlightened'.

i also you have to peel away these people & groups also,
because the core or foundation of illuminati was the
neo-lithic 'priest/shaman class' united with the 'kingly/royal class'->>eventually developing into
the 'blue-bloods' as time & populations increased.

i may be quite wrong, but the illuminati society,
was first tried during the Golden Age of Greece...

and has since been morphed into a pseudo-demonic
self-serving man-god theme of today...
the so called puppet-masters

Eh? is this path a lush flowering vista...or...just a
dried up stream-bed....you'll not know unless you look!

EYJ, EOM

Yes he was supoused to be the one that started all I mean the masons and the hiram key is a book written by two freemason trying to explain what freemsons is all about. They did years of research and travel all over the world looking for facts is a very good book It will open your eyes about what is myth and what is a fact.